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CPvideo Posts: 125 Joined: 2/20/2007 Status: offline
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May I suggest your first AE project file? A project that motion tracks all the tv screens in 121 Glass Tech, so we can add our own video and text without having to do the keyframing. |
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ken Posts: 677 Joined: 1/28/2005 Status: offline
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I second that motion! In fact I liked that particular one a lot, also the one w/red glass circles in it; both seem perfect for .ae template type files. -k _____________________________ Ken JB/STX/ETKs/SFX/JBHD/BTX/MDEs: most (in reply to CPvideo) |
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Lthrboots Posts: 1846 Joined: 10/1/2006 Status: offline
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I immediately thought that when I saw the Glass Tech set. I can do it in After Effects, popping my video into the screens, but it takes a lot of tracking and tweaking to get it smooth.
_____________________________ www.JGJMedia.com Jerry@JGJMedia.com www.Lthrboots.com Jerry@Lthrboots.com www.JerryGJones.com Jerry@JerryGJones.com -------------------------------------- (in reply to ken) |
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David Hebel Posts: 3992 Joined: 4/24/2003 From: Currently in Bangalore, India Status: offline
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We're working on about three or four different concepts as to what type of AE projects we might be able to make.. Here is a style that would match an existing animation.. http://www.digitaljuice.com/media/dj_upload_files/template_85200884055pm_817200842111AM.mov and another from a yet to be released animation http://www.digitaljuice.com/media/dj_upload_files/r_dthreenew_814200841717pm_817200843125AM.mov please note these are just concepts at the moment and not fully finished ideas. < Message edited by David Hebel -- 8/17/2008 4:38:31 AM > (in reply to Lthrboots) |
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mikey Posts: 611 Joined: 3/24/2007 From: Southern California Status: offline
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Dave: These are GREAT!! I would have some real uses for these - I have an old version of AE so I suppose I would need to upgrade to be current to be able to do this...so hopefully it is all affordable. But this looks like something very marketable. (in reply to David Hebel) |
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Lthrboots Posts: 1846 Joined: 10/1/2006 Status: offline
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Oh man!!!! This is SOOOOOOO cool, especially the second one. If you put these out, I would put my stereo in hock just to get it. To have something that looks this good, and to have it be customizable to my footage and text....WOW, that is a ballpark homerun for me!!!!!
_____________________________ www.JGJMedia.com Jerry@JGJMedia.com www.Lthrboots.com Jerry@Lthrboots.com www.JerryGJones.com Jerry@JerryGJones.com -------------------------------------- (in reply to mikey) |
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Creative Oil Posts: 442 Joined: 5/6/2007 From: Melbourne, Australia Status: offline
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Wondering if it would include the entire setups in the comps, such as say the flashing squares, the streaky lines and the particles (looking at the second link) as seperate layers as well, that could be switched on or off? Or is that all 'embedded' into one clip like a Jumpback, so really it's only the vision panels & text you can change? Understand it's early days, but interested to know what you may be thinking in regards to this. Surely will be a big winner either way. Thanks, TK. (in reply to Lthrboots) |
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David Hebel Posts: 3992 Joined: 4/24/2003 From: Currently in Bangalore, India Status: offline
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I'm thinking there will be about three to four (probably more than that) totally different kinds of AE projects that we would sell.. In some cases it would be a matched motion (like the examples i gave above) that would go on top of a existing pre-rendered animation. This would be the easiest of the Project files for people to use and deal with,as well as the fastest to render. Other types of projects would be more complex but allow you to do more.. Prices would be different almost on a case by case basis depending on the complexity and the flexibility. (in reply to Creative Oil) |
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Lthrboots Posts: 1846 Joined: 10/1/2006 Status: offline
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Either way, I would be willing to pay more for the FULL After Effects files so that I could turn layers off and on as needed. That way I could get the most flexibility from the elements. I think it's a great idea to also offer the compressed layers option, with elements such as text and video insert layers as the only "editable" layers. That would definitely speed up the rendering, and also, if someone doesn't feel like tweaking around in 20 layers, the "compressed" version would definitely be a plus for them. Thanks for posting these "teasers" Dave. I appreciate it....now, I just need to find a towel to wipe up my drool..... 
_____________________________ www.JGJMedia.com Jerry@JGJMedia.com www.Lthrboots.com Jerry@Lthrboots.com www.JerryGJones.com Jerry@JerryGJones.com -------------------------------------- (in reply to David Hebel) |
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ecw268 Posts: 127 Joined: 10/23/2007 Status: offline
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Those are some great samples. Can't wait to see what comes next.
_____________________________ Photoshop is my drug of choice. (in reply to Lthrboots) |
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Creative Oil Posts: 442 Joined: 5/6/2007 From: Melbourne, Australia Status: offline
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Sounds like a great plan DH. One thought..... on the odd occasion I've been handed over an AE project to take over a job, finish something off for someone, or the like... I've always found it beneficial to sit with that person and for them to explain / go through the comp with me. When this hasn't happened, it can take hours to actually work out what the heck is going on. I'm sure your projects will be well set out, but perhaps a very short accompanying explanatory video or very short tutorial-like vid may be worth considering with each project (??). I imagine this would incur extra costs on both sides, but may also entice those 'not so confident' to purchase, try and learn from the more complicated projects. Just a thought. TK (in reply to ecw268) |
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David Hebel Posts: 3992 Joined: 4/24/2003 From: Currently in Bangalore, India Status: offline
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We're trying to figure out how to make it easier... I think Digital Juice will have an advantage over other places that are a "market place" for AE templates because we will have some consistency in how we approach everything and try to come up with Standards that people can count on. If you look at other places that sell AE projects there is no real standards it is up to the individual designers to decide what they want to do. AE has some nice features for adding little text guides on the comp that should help. We also are likely to at a minimum have a flash tutorial that walks you through where the important things are of each comp. Beyond that we haven't figured out how to provide video tutorials for each in a way that scales. For any of this to work out we need to provide lots of project files for people to choose from and that becomes problematic if we also provide detailed training for each. My current idea is to get something to market fast and evolve it in public.. Usually we evolve products at Juice but in the case of project files I need the help of the market to guide our direction. We will respond to what people buy. (in reply to Creative Oil) |
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Creative Oil Posts: 442 Joined: 5/6/2007 From: Melbourne, Australia Status: offline
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Yep, understand..... and admittedly some of the stuff I mentioned that I came in on was a bit of a mess to start with! I'm sure DJ projs will have some sort of consistency (or Standards as you mention), which will make a huge difference to ease of use, I imagine. The AE 'Comments' panel and text guides are def a handy feature - I have used these when handing stuff over to others and has worked a treat. Thanks for the info, TK. (in reply to David Hebel) |
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mptribe Posts: 4460 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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Being an AE newbie, I too look forward to seeing these in action, as they could be a great resource and learning tool by themselves.
_____________________________ Marc (in reply to Creative Oil) |
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SeektheBurd Posts: 390 Joined: 9/15/2006 Status: offline
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What a nice sneak peek! Loved the samples. As one in the market to buy AE very soon, look forwarding to this line of product by DJ. Hugs, Stephanie (in reply to mptribe) |
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Lthrboots Posts: 1846 Joined: 10/1/2006 Status: offline
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Dave, I think "text guides" in the comp are a great idea dna will solve the "time" issue on getting these out without having to make tutorial videos. A simple layer with a text hint (that can be turned off and on) which explains to the "AE Newbie" what to do with certain sections sounds like a great idea. ....even to me, and I'm not a total newbie to AE anymore....but I can always learn more from little text hints along the way. I think adding the text hints inside of the AE project file layers would definitely get the new AE users interested in the product. As you said, it's rare to find any other AE project files on other sites which explain what to do with the files once you get them.....yeah, they have a few tutorials, but you have to be connected to the Internet, and go outside of AE to watch them....having them inside of the AE project would be a BIG PLUS! _____________________________ www.JGJMedia.com Jerry@JGJMedia.com www.Lthrboots.com Jerry@Lthrboots.com www.JerryGJones.com Jerry@JerryGJones.com -------------------------------------- (in reply to SeektheBurd) |
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MikeM Posts: 2347 Joined: 2/25/2005 From: Germany Status: offline
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Well, those examples look great and I think that is a step in the right direction. Looking forward to what you folks come up with.
_____________________________ Michael Lt. Cmdr. Data: If the warp drive fails to activate, the results could be... unfortunate. Lieutenant Worf: Very unfortunate. We will be dead. i7 / Win7 64 Bit SP1; Avid MC 6.5; Adobe CS6 PP; Nuendo 2-6; Wavelab 7; C4D R12 (in reply to Lthrboots) |
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Sanctify2007 Posts: 31 Joined: 7/23/2008 Status: offline
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OMG! Guys I need your help. I am using Premiere Elements and have been since 1.0 came out. I am assuming these affects ,AE (after effects) stuff you guys are talking about are not compatible with PE4. If I wanted to take advantage of the future effects DH has in mind, do I need to upgrade to CS3? A few days ago, I thought to myself, that I did not need to upgrade. But reading this thread is giving me second thoughts. PLEASE ADVISE! (in reply to MikeM) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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AE projects can't be used within Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements as they are totally different file formats and conceptually different entities. It would be like opening an Excel spreadsheet with Microsoft Paint. As to whether you need to upgrade, AE isn't strictly an upgrade from Premiere Elements (or Premiere Pro) - it is more of a complementary product. Bear in mind the price of AE and Premiere Pro compared to Premiere Elements as well. Only you can determine if any purchase would be cost effective / worthwhile for you. Mark (in reply to Sanctify2007) |
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Sanctify2007 Posts: 31 Joined: 7/23/2008 Status: offline
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Hi Mark, So basically, when DH comes out with this product, I won't be able to use them. Awww shucks... (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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Only DH and some people within DJ know what is in the pipeline so nobody else can say for certain but, if the templates are After Effects templates then no, you wont be able to use them within Premiere Elements. If you had AE, you could use the templates to generate and render AV output that could be used within Premiere Elements but, you would need to own AE to do that. Mark (in reply to Sanctify2007) |
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Sanctify2007 Posts: 31 Joined: 7/23/2008 Status: offline
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Mark, Thank you so much, I didn't realize AE was a standalone product. I just check the Adobe site and it has a $999.00 price tag. Whooobooyyy, my wife is gonna kill me. (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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Vernillo2 Posts: 191 Joined: 2/19/2008 From: New York Status: offline
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DH, These are great! Rich (in reply to David Hebel) |
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DamonHan Posts: 1096 Joined: 8/31/2006 From: Evansville, IN Status: offline
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Looks good DH, can't wait to see what you all come up with! It'd be nice to have stuff that matches motion to products you've already released and then also projects that include layered files.
_____________________________ Damon Hancock http://www.fatheadmedia.com http://www.onelifenetwork.in (in reply to Vernillo2) |
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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So are you thinking AE only, or is Motion able to do this, too?
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David Hebel Posts: 3992 Joined: 4/24/2003 From: Currently in Bangalore, India Status: offline
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Both options are on the table at the moment. AE would roll out first because that what we use and know the best but Motion has some interesting possibilities. (in reply to debc) |
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DamonHan Posts: 1096 Joined: 8/31/2006 From: Evansville, IN Status: offline
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I use both, but prefer AE, plus Motion would be MAC only.
_____________________________ Damon Hancock http://www.fatheadmedia.com http://www.onelifenetwork.in (in reply to David Hebel) |
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iDgital Posts: 139 Joined: 12/21/2006 From: Florida Status: offline
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quote: ...And in that little corner of the world, where MACs live without viruses, crashes, spyware, vista downgrades, fear or maybe all of the above, life is good. Live "APPL-illy" ever after. C. _____________________________ CCG (in reply to DamonHan) |
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DamonHan Posts: 1096 Joined: 8/31/2006 From: Evansville, IN Status: offline
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I'm part of that would also and I also realize that if Mac had the majority of the market share they would have all those issues you mentioned above. Hackers aren't going to waste time on a small market share.
_____________________________ Damon Hancock http://www.fatheadmedia.com http://www.onelifenetwork.in (in reply to iDgital) |
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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quote: Ah... Just another example of who starts really starts these little Mac vs PC squabbles.  Hijack Release: AE is probably a bigger market than Motion (at least for the moment) While FCP is prehaps an industry leader in NLEs. AE is rather strong in compositing. _____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to DamonHan) |
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ALROBI Posts: 42 Joined: 6/30/2008 Status: offline
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When you build up instead of using a picture place a - Drop zone - so when everything it is built up and sometime it took a while you save it as a Template, perhaps in future DJ will offer Drop Zone templates HUM could be really nice
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