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Papa Smurf Posts: 263 Joined: 2/20/2006 From: Snowflake, AZ Status: offline
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Again another great DVD Menu. I like how you stated that you can add additional DVD Layers to customize your menu. Are your menu buttons going to be customizable also?
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David Hebel Posts: 3992 Joined: 4/24/2003 From: Currently in Bangalore, India Status: offline
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we see these type of backgrounds as useful for more than just DVD menus that is why dvd menu's would be optional use.. Everything from show opens, montages, customized backgrounds, award shows, events.. we are working on the behind the scenes technology right now.. but don't have all the specifics worked out. (in reply to Papa Smurf) |
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JasonGaines Posts: 2306 Joined: 2/17/2006 From: South Windsor, CT. Status: offline
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Man, I cannot wait to see this. You guys just never cease to amaze me. You really have your finger on the pulse of this Juice crowd. I will scoop this up no matter what when you guys get it all ironed out. I will lose a limb and sell the prothstetsis if I have. Will really make a great addition from DJ. _____________________________ 
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MikeL Posts: 44 Joined: 4/14/2006 Status: offline
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I honestly think this should be delivered as after effects project files as soon as possible -- by the time the behind scenes technology worked out in juicer, or you settled down with which dvd authroing tool and on which platform, it is likely the dvd format is outdated already, and this stuff is sooo cool and the market (both video professional and pro-sumer levels) is sooo ready for this. I know that DJ people can do amazing jobs softwarewise -- juicer 2 is an excellent example -- but I really dont think re-engineering juicer from a mere browsing and converting tool towards a full video/graphics processing tool is something DJ should put too much effort on -- after all, DJ is posed as a customizable content provider, not an NLE or software company, and nice contents like this do not justify any unnecessary delay in delivery. Seriously, if you can deliver juice drops in adobe photoshop format, why cant you deliver video contents just in adobe after effects files? We have been waiting for full version of juicer 3 (that covers all existing DJ products) for so long, and I just hate the idea to have to wait another half year for a DVD menu volume (or whatever you call it) just because you cannot figure out how to pack it in some proprietary format.
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MikeM Posts: 2347 Joined: 2/25/2005 From: Germany Status: offline
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quote: You want the layers? Yeah, many of us want that. But think about the data amount, 10 - 40 layers of animation would be too much for a DVD. But it has been said multiple times that DJ seriously thinks about something like that. But that will require higher capacity storage media, i.e. BRD. _____________________________ Michael Lt. Cmdr. Data: If the warp drive fails to activate, the results could be... unfortunate. Lieutenant Worf: Very unfortunate. We will be dead. i7 / Win7 64 Bit SP1; Avid MC 6.5; Adobe CS6 PP; Nuendo 2-6; Wavelab 7; C4D R12 (in reply to MikeL) |
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MikeL Posts: 44 Joined: 4/14/2006 Status: offline
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Storage is always a problem, but not an extra issue on this delivery method, in fact, deliver layered stuff in project files will only save the huge space. Whatever they are thinking to deliver, does it actually require a lot less storage if you deliver in after effects project files?? for instance, a 15 second animation based on a juice drop might exceed 1 GB to deliver in uncompressed QT format, but if delivered in AE project files, it's just 10 plus still PNG files (with alpha channel but downsized from original juice drop dimension to only pal dv dimension) together with some project parameter settings, much much less. I also see this as a very good way to promote other DJ products such as jumpbacks and juicedrops, in theory, a menu project file can be delivered in very minimum size which only contains composition parameters only, but all the resource files (still or animation) used in the bin can be delivered at compressed or low resolution format, but with a detailed description to which juice drop or jumpback or mde file should be linked -- that way, if you like the result and want to go for uncompressed hi-res, you go buy the related missing juice drop and jumpback volumes. If you have some existing DJ still or animation products that you see workable to replace, you can always do that yourself by tweaking the file link and/or composition parameters. To see a juice drop (even a low res sample) moving will definitely help to sell the original juice drop volume. DVD menu wont go more than 10 layers, but even with a 10 layer restriction, I am positive the talents in DJ can come up with a lot interesting settings, and if it's delivered in composition project files like I said above, I really dont think storage is an issue, with some downsized version of juice drop stills, some compressed jumpback file or stock video, some preview quality mp3 encoded stacktraxx, how big that will be? but What a great idea? Again, I really really think DJ should act very quickily to this demand and this is the direction that DJ should be going to as there is huge demand but very little supply for DVD menu contents that are customizable and not dependant on any particular authoring software. The only issue I do see is, it's quite a challenge to come out with something attractive without using third party plugins (such as particular for particle effects). I think to some extend, DJ can replace those with their own particle effects motion design elements (and this helps to sell DJ's own MDE volumes by the way), but again, we are always amazed what DJ people can do. < Message edited by MikeL -- 7/11/2006 7:00:45 PM > (in reply to MikeM) |
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Eric Hartmann Posts: 2971 Joined: 4/18/2006 From: Springfield, NJ Status: offline
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quote: I recently upgraded to the Adobe Production Studio Premium (about 2 months ago) and let me tell you, I have always been faithful to Adobe. We've been using Final Cut Pro and Soundtrack Pro and DVD Studio Pro at school, but I have to say that I just can't switch. Like you said Mr. English, (and because you don't know I'll tell you)...the integeration is AMAZING!! There is NO rendering required when (for instance) you want to create a professional, time consuming special title effect. You simply click "Create After Effects Composition" in Premiere Pro. After Effects will open up. Now create your composition in there and ANY changes you make in AE are INSTANTLY reflected in Premiere Pro. Go back to Premiere Pro and drag down your AE composition that is "linked" and there you are. No wasteful time spent rendering, putting you computer, processor, and memory under possible HOURS of stressful situations with waiting for the composition to be done so you can finally get back to working on a time constrained project. Not to mention how much hard disk space it takes to export your AE project and then time it takes to render it back out to a movie. If you wish to not have the integrated capability, then terrabyte drive here you come... The same goes with Photoshop CS2 (or any Photoshop for that matter). I am working on a video that my boss (Jim Breuer) took in Africa. His wife took a TON of pictures and for me to fix all of those pictures and then re-import them into my project, and affix them to a track/sequence is VERY time consuming. Hence where the "Edit Original" functionality comes into play. All of my pictures were already in my timeline and I didn't have the time/effort to edit each individual picture, then re-import. I clicked edit original (or Edit in Adobe Photoshop) and BAM!! Photoshop CS2 pops up and I can edit the picture to however my liking. Click save, minimize Photoshop, and (once again) BAM!! INSTANT results in Premiere Pro. Same goes for Illustrator CS2. Audition is the same with Premiere Pro. Change an audio file (StackTraxx, BackTraxx) and its automatically updated! Encore reacts the same as well. Change your file in Premiere Pro/After Effects/Photoshop/Audition and it's updated right there for you. This works EXTREMELY well, when you want to change the look/effects in a DVD Menu in Encore DVD 2.0. You can click "Edit Original" and change the characteristics of a menu with INSTANT results saving you precious time for your projects. Don't even get me started on Final Cut Pro. It may be professional, but if time/HD space isn't on your side, Adobe is the answer!! This concludes as to why I am faithful to my Adobe Production Studio Premium...the UNBEATABLE integration between EVERY SINGLE PRODUCT that is in the suite. _____________________________ Film Editor, Videographer, Motion Graphics Designer, and Producer JUST UPDATED!! http://www.SeaLightEntertainment.com http://www.JimBreuer.com Juice: 300+ (in reply to MrE) |
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Faroshuffle Posts: 519 Joined: 10/4/2003 From: Sacramento, CA Status: offline
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An ETK or something based on DVD Menus would be FANTASTIC! Especially if they look like the samples you've posted. I really like the idea of including one Juice Drop with every superset in the future ETK's though. Wow I'm so glad I joined your forums! Thanks Dave!!!! _____________________________ "The principle is to put your camera into positions that give people perspectives they wouldn’t ordinarily see." Chuck Peters, Digital Juice 265+ DJ Products and Counting (in reply to David Hebel) |
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Runamok Posts: 1276 Joined: 6/27/2006 From: Menifee, CA Status: offline
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quote: That is an awsome Idea. Maybe I missed someone else saying it but if not you should post that in the suggestion box! _____________________________ Well...that's my story and I am sticking to it! Dan www.clearshotvideo.com My Showcase (in reply to Faroshuffle) |
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whatexit Posts: 54 Joined: 7/28/2006 From: http://brentdolanmedia.com Status: offline
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Looks awesome. I use Adobe Encore and Would buy that to save time and it is an awesome effect. put me on the list when it comes out. _____________________________ Stay Stoked Brent brentdolanmedia.com eastcoastsurfer.com Digital Juice Products I own: ETK #1 ETK #10 Sound FX library kit 20 volumes of Juice Drops 12 volumes of Stack Tracks. (in reply to David Hebel) |
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jimbucc Posts: 143 Joined: 9/7/2006 From: Beacon Falls, CT Status: offline
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A DVD menu ETK is an excellent idea. However, not all of use use Encore or DVD Studio. I use DVD lab to generate DVDs. A set of templates for the most used packages is a good idea, but there should be a more generic set of media for the rest of us. A good idea would be to put a sampling of what a dvd superset would contain to see what us users think, and give feedback on how this could be a useful addition. Jim (in reply to whatexit) |
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MikeM Posts: 2347 Joined: 2/25/2005 From: Germany Status: offline
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Yeah, I think those templates should not be application-specific, just as the rest of DJ products is not application specific. You would lock out the users of different authoring apps. I even think the DVD menu templates should be used as a starting point. So i.e. the provided template animations and such are used to create the final menu animation by using an NLE or AE. That doesn't require authoring app specific sets. _____________________________ Michael Lt. Cmdr. Data: If the warp drive fails to activate, the results could be... unfortunate. Lieutenant Worf: Very unfortunate. We will be dead. i7 / Win7 64 Bit SP1; Avid MC 6.5; Adobe CS6 PP; Nuendo 2-6; Wavelab 7; C4D R12 (in reply to jimbucc) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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*POKE* I'm reviving this thread simply because I just ran across it. I too agree that DJ could put out a product that offers DVD Menu templates. However, why not go the extra mile? What else is needed with a DVD? How about the case jacket? What about the disc itself? Just like the ETKs have multiple files for each ETK, I see this product line also having something like that. A file for the main menu, a file for a sub-menu, a file for the DVD jacket, and another for the disc itself. And if we really want to be ambitious, why not a First Play movie that plays well with the menu too? The possibilities are there, it's how we make it all work together, AND have it available for the various products used. (Has there been a poll asking how many of us use Encore? What else is out there? Mac users, what do you guys use?) My dos placa... (in reply to MikeM) |
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Victor V Posts: 49 Joined: 3/7/2007 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Status: offline
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I love the idea of Digital Juice making the DVD menus. From making my own menus, I know, it would be good IF DJ did make them is to do them in layers that can be imported into other programs like Photoshop or After Effects as well. Can I also be on the beta team if DJ deceides to go ahead with this? Thanks Victor (in reply to Matt) |
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KimPossible Posts: 68 Joined: 11/22/2006 Status: offline
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I think DJ can create a better package of DVD menu template sets than pixelpop Theirs are nice, but I KNOW DJ would do waaaay better! I need DVD menu templates and disc templates for my event vidoegraphy startup. Oh yea, make sure they're layered .psd files. (in reply to Inspiration) |
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Johnnyk Posts: 108 Joined: 3/10/2007 From: Denver, CO Status: offline
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I use DVD Studio Pro 4 on the Mac. Most of my DVD's First Plays are my splash screen for my freelance business...but then I usually go into a Main Menu open that I create myself either in After Effects or Motion. Still, I'd love to see some ideas that JD might scrounge up that will help my stuff look even better. Jonathan (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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IMG Posts: 862 Joined: 3/23/2006 From: Irmo, SC Status: offline
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Pixelpop isn't good at all. In fact, it's too utilitarian and frankly downright BORING to look at the final results. What in the heck is so good about taking your front cover photo and simply blurring it to create a background, then adding your original photo back on top of it again? Every single cover looks identical to another. Every customer's end result is identical. I want to stand out from the crowd, not look plain and boring and "samey" as the next guy. What needs to happen to create exciting, dynamic, living, breathing and unique DVD's from top to bottom, is to create: DVD SUPERSETS These need to include the following items:
The point of having all of these assets is for them to be in MATCHING SUPER SETS. I would like to see fewer total number of sets per volume, but more variations on those themes. In other words, give us 10 DVD Supersets, but give us 10 elements within in each group that is outlined above. All of the variations could be swapped out at the end-user's discretion, but would still match to create a cohesive looking end result. Item by item, here is the description of the features of each group listed above: 1) Animated backgrounds - This is probably the easiest for DJ to create, because, in fact, you have already created thousands of these previously. The same high-quality, SD animations could be "borrowed" from other existing collections, with a few new goodies thrown in to keep things fresh and exciting for good measure. 2) DVD Menus - Same as above, we already have Juicedrops, but they are not formatted for use in DVD menus. A healthy collection of 4:3 and 16:9 .PSD files, pre-formatted with graphic images and menu buttons, ready to drop into a project. The menu buttons should have at least 3 variations to be able to toggle on or off in Photoshop (or Encore, etc.), so that each menu can be customized easily "on the fly". No two clients should ever have to see that exact same DVD menu, ever. This will help expedite the DVD creation process greatly. 3) DVD Case Covers - Again, .PSD files, like the existing Juicedrops will be perfect for this task. The only caveat is that the designs should all match the other elements to create a cohesive look between all of the other assets in the graphics package. I want to be able to toggle layers on and off, and I still would like 10 variations within a specific theme (e.g., Sports, School, Weddings, Mitzvahs, Religious Ceremonies, etc.). An end-user should be able to print quite easily directly from Photoshop if he or she desires to do so, and the results should be a perfect DVD case cover insert that includes crop marks to make it easier to get the exact trim points every time. 4) DVD Face labels - Just like the DVD Case Cover Inserts, the DVD Face Labels should be matching all of the other graphical and animated content. I should have a .PSD file, which I can toggle on or off the various layers, with 10 variations on each theme, just like all of the other assets. An end-user can then process out the final results to a format that works with his or her DVD face label printing devices, whether it be an Epson, a Bravo unit, a Discmakers unit, etc. 5) DVD Menu Transitions - Similar to a transwipe, or a revealer, or even closer still to a Swipe, this would provide the transition between the menu and the video, once a DVD viewer selects an item on the DVD menu. Encore and DVD Studio Pro both excel at providing a means to obtain this effect, and it makes a DVD look much more professional. 6) DVD Menu Transition Sound FX - This might not need to be a separate category, because a "Swipe" type of animation could handle the job perfectly, but there does arose, on occasion, the need to drop in a specific sound effect to match with existing video or my own custom-made transition. This is the least important asset to include on this Superset, but if I am making a wish list, then I would like to see it included anyway. Definitely will find its uses on some types of projects, while others will not need this type of thing. 7) DVD Background Music - DJ already has what I need, for the most part, in its music library, but both ST's and BT's don't always cut the muster for this type of application. I need DVD Menu background music that is not as intrusive as some of DJ's existing music library, something appropriate for weddings, Mitzvahs, Sporting events, school functions, etc. Nothing outrageous, but more subdues for the most part. On occasion, a wilder variety, in its own unique Superset could be desirable as well, when taken within the context of that particular Superset. What would set DJ's products apart from the rest of the industry in this type Superset is to have matching or similar Soundsets that could be used for the transitions, too. Please give us variations on these musical themes, with :15, :30, :45, :60, 1:00, 2:00 and 3:00 versions. Ideally, I would like 10 different Soundsets, with the timing breakdowns listed above. 8) DVD Menu Titles - This is just pure "eye candy", and is something that DJ has already provided in existing collections, to a degree. These need to be animated type-on or write-on title effects, just as you would find if you created them in Boris Red, Grafitti, After Effects, etc. Cursive / script of "Our Wedding", "Happy Birthday", "Our Anniversary", "Congratulations", etc. would work well for some types of projects. Again, the whole point of including these here is to have a cohesive look amongst all of the various assets, not just grab something from an existing DJ collection, which is what most all of us already do when we need this type of graphical content. Please give us at least 10 of these types of animations per collection, which are appropriate to that specific them. OK, that's my wish list. In essence, this all boils down to one thing: to help us as editors and DVD Authorers to quickly and easily create dynamic and professional looking DVD's, from top to bottom, with the least amount of fuss and hassle. Thanks for listening to our input, Dave. It's nice to know that Digital Juice is so responsive to its customer base.
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JoeyD Posts: 279 Joined: 10/6/2006 From: Long Island, NY Status: offline
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Well said! I think you are right on track with this. The crew at DJ should be able to whip something up for this! They would blow pixelpop out of the water!
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Matt Posts: 5743 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Oak Ridge, NC Status: offline
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You guys may want to check out some of the videos Dave posted to the showcase last year. Link by the way he talked about this in a chat, just one more reason to stop by the chats on Thursday nights. < Message edited by Matt -- 4/6/2007 10:32:31 PM > _____________________________ mattjanowsky.com (in reply to JoeyD) |
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IMG Posts: 862 Joined: 3/23/2006 From: Irmo, SC Status: offline
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Wow, I missed that. THANK YOU, Matt! Very nice stuff. I like 'em! _____________________________ ==== Scot ==== JD 37, 39, 40, 42, 46, 49 ST 4, 10, 12, 13 ETK 1-10, PTK HDJB 1-10 DJTV 1-3 (in reply to Matt) |
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ApexVideo Posts: 13 Joined: 4/13/2007 From: Kansas Status: offline
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Love this idea!! I use Adobe products as well. I just happened across this forum. I see that 4/6/07 was the last post, is there still talk on Thursdays on this issue?
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Matt Posts: 5743 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Oak Ridge, NC Status: offline
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Hi Apexvideo, we usually have a chat every Thursday night at 9:00 pm EST in our chat room http://www.digitaljuice.com/chat Topics vary, and you can ask anything. DVD menus was mentioned awhile back. We are also having a Weekend Chat on Sat. April 21st at 5:00 pm EST for thoose that can't make the Thurs. night chat. Stop by and say hello. And welcome to the forums 
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Chat every Thursday at 9 pm Eastern about what ever you want. Now also on Saturday's at 5 pm Eastern. C'ya there. (at least this week, for Saturday) LOL - you're too quick Matt - LOL < Message edited by wizard -- 4/20/2007 9:38:24 PM > _____________________________ Pops (in reply to ApexVideo) |
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Matt Posts: 5743 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Oak Ridge, NC Status: offline
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Not every saturday, just this once for now. I need some time off Actually the chat is open 24hrs 7 days a week so anyone can use it at anytime. _____________________________ mattjanowsky.com (in reply to wizard) |
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ApexVideo Posts: 13 Joined: 4/13/2007 From: Kansas Status: offline
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Great, thanks everyone. I'll see if I can't stop by and visit.
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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quote: You can do it - upper right hand corner of the post, click on "delete".  Good news/bad news - you can only delete your own posts.
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DODOZ Posts: 698 Joined: 1/2/2007 From: Chicago Status: offline
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Thanks Bill...
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klmvideo Posts: 16 Joined: 11/23/2006 Status: offline
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I don't know if I over looked it or not but to preview your motion menu look for render motion menus in the tool bar, I'm at work and I can't remember whats it under. Kelvin (in reply to Papa Smurf) |
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