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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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For the veteran forum folks, disregard this posting. You know the song. But if you know the words and agree, sing with me: Recently I was searching for a cool visual base for a client and -- after not really seeing what I wanted in Juice Drops -- thought about the JDrop frames with the ETKpro Singles I have religiously purchased. I saw the very cool poster frames of Particle Magic (ETKpro 111). WOW. THAT WAS IT. THAT IS WHAT I COULD USE FOR MY NEW CLIENT! But when I quickly looked at the ONLY JuiceDrop in the set, it was not even close to that cool poster frame in the online index. I have been advocating for alternates to make the packages more appealing to print uses so that they could be cross marketed. But these things only are offered in one (or two — at most) flavors, often nothing like the cool animations that would make them so much more useful. I have NOT purchased the more recent Toolkits I and II because they do not offer any real depth for print uses other than an often nondescript single image, probably meant for background use on menus or disc covers of the productions utilizing the animations. I lament the fact that NO MORE JUICEDROPS have been produced for about a year, supposedly because they do not have the sales to support their ongoing creation. No wonder. With each set having hours and hours of creative time in development, it would seem that it would not be all that difficult to provide a series of JDrops (maybe 4-5 versions) for each new set similar to the poster frames of animation. (Maybe forget the old JDrops that did not have animations... but what about the more recent flock of cool stuff?) THESE THINGS WOULD SELL. Just as MDTv1 widely appealed to BOTH video and print designers... just as DJFonts have appealed to video and print designers... this new approach would also appeal to both segments. But then again, maybe my same old song is getting old here in the forums. If DJ needs an investor to make this happen, please let me know who to have my company's accountant call. The competition is likely going to introduce this kind of package when DJ could corner the market in a pre-emptive strike with very little additional effort. I implore... no I need to be more emotional here... I plead with DH and DJ to create more of these wonderful and very useful creative tools, which comprised very foundations for DJ. While the new tools are cool, the elements for revitalizing some of the old are already there if only the creative folks can be given the green light to finish the task. For me, if there were additional alternates of the JDrops in Toolboxes 1 and 11, I would have purchased BOTH (that's $600 from just me at the kin-folk introductory prices, let alone all the others that would likely have purchased... or would purchase later at $600 for EACH of the kits! HELL, I would pay $600 for EACH of the kits if I could get these alternates making the graphics so much more flexible!) I enjoy the new stuff like the MDTv1 and Fonts, and look forward to the forthcoming Texture Toolkit, BUT let's not forget the stuff that made us famous. The new stuff (MDT, DJFonts, Texture kit) all require us to invest lots of time to customize and build our jobs... sometimes the budget of a client doesn't allow for such creative time and we need to grab a JDrop and make it happen. JUICEDROPS set the graphic support standard for print designers... they could continue as JUICEDROPS, maybe call them JDropPros (Or Fabu-Drops!! since I know David loves that name) with various tools with each visual set. There was talk of a mega-layered JuiceDrop concept, but nothing more has been mentioned... not here nor via the Trendy Twitter Tweaks. OKay, so I am barking out the same ol' song. Bust my chops if needed, but I BELIEVE! And I have a credit card just aching to get burned up!  Attachment (1)
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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The Poster frame of what I wanted: Thumbnail Image  Attachment (1)
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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The thumbnail of the actual JDrop from V111: Thumbnail Image  Attachment (1)
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SpaceRay Posts: 641 Joined: 11/4/2008 From: Malaga - Spain Status: offline
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Hello Dean I am the second fan after you of the Juice drops, thanks to them is that I knew of Digital Juice. You can get my support to help you asking for Juice Drops as you say they are really wonderful, and is bad that they have droped the Juice Drops, perhaps there is hope on what David Hebel said about the evolution of Juice Drops. About the problem you tell here that there is not enough Juice Drops (only 1 or 2) on each ETK Pro Singles is true and is a pity, and that this Juice drops is perhaps not from the frame of the video that you want. But I think that I can help you here, because using Juicer you can render and convert to still PNG images ANY frame from any DJ Video animation. So as you have said above that you wanted a specific frame form the video but was not available on Juice Drop, you still CAN get it. I have already done it before and it works. You do not get the same highest and perfect quality of Juice drops but is useful enough for print. I have got from ETK 49 Winter Solstice a still image of 4096 x 2303 of the beginning of the video 1, after choosing the video and adding it to the batch list and click on settings, you have to choose custom canvas and put the maximun size that is allowed (put 6000 and the Juicer will adjust to the maximun) and then choose on startup the exactly place of the frame you want and then on duration put 00 00 1 and on output choose PNG and then "render all" With this you get something a still image of the video with enough quality to be used in print and you can sharpen it more on photoshop and even enlarge it more up to the 5175 x 3345 of the Juice Drop. ABOUT THE TOOLBOXES NOT HAVING ENOUGH JUICE DROPS If you say that you did not want to buy the offer of the Editor´s Toolboxes only because they do not have enough Juice Drops, I think that you could perhaps look it in another way, because as said you can make your own still images from the part of the video that you like most and need for the work you want and do not depend of the frmae that is used for the Juice drop. Yes, you are not getting the layers, but you have the freedom to choose whatever frame you want. Try it with an ETK Pro you have and perhaps you change the mind of not ordering the Toolboxes, you still have today Sunday to order it with the special July offer, as you live in USA is no problem for the shipping. NOT USING JUICER AND USE TOPAZ MOMENTS The Juicer is not the only tool to do this as there is also the sofware TOPAZ MOMENTS to get a high resolution still from any video you want http://www.topazlabs.com/moment/ < Message edited by SpaceRay -- 8/2/2009 5:44:49 AM > (in reply to deano2222) |
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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quote: Thanks Claudio, I will try this, although I am not thinking this would present the definition needed for high end print. Plus the other problem is that the image is "flattened" so that layered elements could not be used without meticulous trimming and manual layering. For some projects, the time needed is worth it. For many, however, hours of prep to achieve the layers are not in the budget. My argument is that SOMEBODY at DJ has already done these layers for the animation, PROBABLY in vectored formats. Why not just go the extra mile and create a product that targets video AND print pros. Surely, with all the initial work already done, it would not take but one additional day (if that) to mimic the poster frames of the videos, or something similar to each of them, but for layered files. MDTv1 did just this and rocks for it. Such versatility would inspire coordinated creative application and cross use for projects that cry out for such a level of professionalism. More print people would bite the hook on the new wave of larger packaged products being offered by DJ. If just 10 -- JUST 10! -- print peoples bought the ToolBoxes 1 and 2... JUST 10, that would have generated another $6,000. If a graphic designer in India is charging even $1000 for a day of design work, that leaves $5000 in additional income. If design houses pay the full $600 (which they would!) after the introductory prices, that's $600 for EACH ToolBox, even more profit. Build it and they will come. Build it right, and even more will come! Best of all, it would make me shut up and stop whining. If I knew how to do this... If I could access the DJ pro(s) that could do this, I would likely invest the $$$ to pull it off, then market the product and manage my new business from various cruise ships around the world. Why, I might even stop off in Bangalore to have a beer with David. I would even buy. _____________________________ dean (in reply to SpaceRay) |
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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AAAAuuuurgh! Topaz Moment appears ONLY to be for NON-MAC machines. <sigh> I will try the Juicer Method instead... although Topaz looks to be sooooo much easier to use. Message edited to add: I tried Claudio's tutorial and it does produce an image that is about 4 inches tall and 6 inches wide at 300 dpi. Most folks can get by with such an image at 5 x 7 or so. My concern is that IF you produce a cool design, usually, there is a request down the road for an even larger image... or there is the initial need to produce a page spread of 11 x 17. Definitely the image would not maintain the integrity needed at the larger sizes. Actually, there is no real need to produce a freeze from the animation if any of the "FIRST FRAME" .png images on the discs could work. I think one of them that I played with even gave me a mask for placing images into the file. Again, however, at the smaller lower res file files. Actually, I might be able to get away with using one of them for my client that prompted my rant... but then would come the request for let's say a billboard or large format print work... then I need to go back to the drawing board. I really feel there would be a market for an additional disc that has the high res, layered files of the "FIRST FRAMES" on the discs. That would address my issues, provide high end pros with the resolution they need, and make mo money for DJ. I rest my case. (Then again, I am guessing that there are just not enough print people responding to this cry to even let DH justify trying it.) I still think there is a need and would encourage the "lurkers" to sign up and post their first entry in support of this need. My concern is that DJ is known for video animations and most print peoples are simply not visiting. Oh but the potential. There is an untapped market waiting to learn of these wonderful resources. < Message edited by deano2222 -- 8/2/2009 10:29:32 AM > _____________________________ dean (in reply to deano2222) |
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SpaceRay Posts: 641 Joined: 11/4/2008 From: Malaga - Spain Status: offline
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Sorry, I know this is from a thread from August 2009, but now i found this again searching for another thing and thought that there is another way for getting still frames from the animations. Reading in the Juicer page you can see this quote: So you could convert any animation to still frames PNG, JPEG, TIFF or PSD putting the canvas size you want in the Juicer. You can select to convert all the full animation, or just go to a selected frame in the animation and render only that frame to a still frame. (in reply to deano2222) |
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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Yes, that's true. One can do a frame from the animations, but the size is somewhat limiting. If you need to do a 11 x 17, you really cannot do a freeze frame. A file 3 x 4 at 300 dpi might work... MAYBE 5 x 7. But it sounds like DJ is about to unload a pile of high res print-use products in the coming months. So let's see what they are up to. I am stoked.
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