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pbolden Posts: 11 Joined: 3/21/2007 Status: offline
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Hello Everyone, I was about to purchase Back Traxx1 but noticed that juicer can't alter the length of the tracks. I'm I correct? I hope not because I really like this collection and the price is great but If I can't change the length with the juicer app the tracks are of little use to me. Thanks! |
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AdrenalineMP Posts: 625 Joined: 12/18/2007 Status: offline
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Well, they come in a multitude of lengths already -- Just about all include :30, :60 and full length versions. Some also include :10 and :15. After that you have to do the trimming in your nle or an audio application. If you are looking for the juicer to do all the work for you, kind of like smartsound, then you are out of luck. _____________________________ Sam (in reply to pbolden) |
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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These tracts are very nice... and for $79, should be a no-brainer. All sorts of lengths... perfect for any standard length spots. In many instances, I have listened to the music then have been inspired to write a spot. Very much worth the cost... and I think I paid a whole $99 (or more) for the package back in the day... it was well worth the $$$ then (whatever I paid) and would still be worth $79 no matter what. Besides, they look cool sitting on the shelf. That alone is worth the $$$. Paul, I really think you'd be very happy with the package.
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SoCal Chris Posts: 105 Joined: 5/30/2008 Status: offline
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I have a lot of DJ StackTraxx, both BackTrax volumes and also a limited amount of SmartSound music. Each has its place. While sometimes it is very nice to be able to use Smartsound to make a specific length song, I find that I use the DJ products more often. A simple fade-out on a longer track works quite nicely in most situations. Plus, keep in mind that even if the BackTrax is listed as "30 seconds", many of them actually end a couple of seconds before that. You can use this to your advantage if you need a slightly shorter song.
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pbolden Posts: 11 Joined: 3/21/2007 Status: offline
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Thanks guys, I guess the answer to my question is no. Having been in this biz since '97, I certainly remember the days when all you could get were :60/:30/:10 packages unless you were going the needle drop route. I guess I've been spoiled by the smart sound app and just wasn't sure if the juicer could adjust track lengths or not. I've listened to quite a few of the Back Traxx tracks online, much of which is very nice stuff and the price is truly extraordinary yet, because of the down turned economy I am having to be far more selective in my business purchases than say a year and a half ago when I would have jumped at this offer even without an immediate need for the product. The product is nice! The price is great! I just need to be able to justify the purchase and the fact that the track lengths can't be altered easily makes that justification a little more difficult. Thanks, Paul (in reply to deano2222) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2150 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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What editing application are you using?? Not that it matters much to me though I am interested knowing which editing application you are using.
_____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to pbolden) |
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mptribe Posts: 4460 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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Chances are that you will be able to pick this deal up again next year, as it seems to resurface every couple months.
_____________________________ Marc (in reply to windhamjim) |
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pbolden Posts: 11 Joined: 3/21/2007 Status: offline
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Premiere.
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windhamjim Posts: 2150 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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That speaks volumes. Thanks for sharing.
_____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to pbolden) |
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kokopellimusic Posts: 762 Joined: 7/5/2006 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline
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Are you not able to edit the wave files to the desired length in your NLE? Maybe another software, Wavelab, Sound Forge?
_____________________________ Adam PC Vegas 9, DVD Architect 5.0 Sound Forge9, Acid Pro 6, Cubase SX, To much DJ to list! (in reply to windhamjim) |
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dglennl Posts: 104 Joined: 8/21/2007 Status: offline
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I use Premiere Pro CS3 and adjust the length of my audio tracks all the time -- it's a simple matter of dragging the beginning or end of the clip. I then add a fade in/out with keyframes. My daughter uses Premiere Elements and I'm almost positive that she can do the same thing, although she's away at college, so I can't confirm that. Audacity is another option -- and it's free. (in reply to kokopellimusic) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2150 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Sometimes it is not the arrow, it is the indian. Premiere can adjust the length, fade, etc.. It sounds like the thread originator isn't interested in doing this in Premiere. He wants a smart sound or sonicfire pro application to create the ending like the music track was designed specifically for his video and his clip length.
_____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to dglennl) |
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kokopellimusic Posts: 762 Joined: 7/5/2006 From: Nashville, TN Status: offline
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Yea, it's an easy thing to do in your NLE or other program. Take the original ending off the long track and splice it onto your new edit. It might just be a time consideration also. Not much time for music editing as well as video editing. I understand, sometimes you just gotta go with what you got in order to get the product out the door and on budget. _____________________________ Adam PC Vegas 9, DVD Architect 5.0 Sound Forge9, Acid Pro 6, Cubase SX, To much DJ to list! (in reply to windhamjim) |
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pbolden Posts: 11 Joined: 3/21/2007 Status: offline
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Hello Everyone, The problem isn't shortening the lengths of the tracks, you guys are right, that's easy. Extending the tracks out to say 9 or 12 minutes can be somewhat more difficult but not impossible. I spent 15 years in radio and tv editing audio beds and I hate to say this but I go back to the days of tape, razor blades and editing blocks, any of you old timers know what I'm talking about LOL. I have several audio software packages and on occasion I even still use cool edit for the simple stuff (like light sweetening, etc.) but what I try to avoid is a track that sounds like its been potted down at the end. If I can save time by using and app that does as much of the work as possible then I'm free'd up to do other things. Let me say this. I love the Back Traxx package. I may get it anyway. I was curious as to what extent Juicer could work with the audio but I like this product and I love its price point. Thanks, Paul (in reply to dglennl) |
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Merch Posts: 544 Joined: 11/5/2007 From: The UK. Now in Las Vegas, USA. Status: offline
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Hello Paul ...and for that matter all other Juicers... FWIW: If you need a track extended (long transient notes in classical compositions may, sometimes present a slight challenge), or edited in any way possible, that, I am pleased to announce, is one of my forté's. Having been a drummer, editer of tape-with-razorblades type person, Disc Jockey (mixing 'in-key' tracks by ear!) and user of undoubtedly the most adept editing piece of software that is Audition V:3 - I do it flawlessly. Time and schedule permitting, challenges accepted. 
< Message edited by Merch -- 11/16/2009 6:23:51 PM > _____________________________ Michael Merchandani the British voice of choice Las Vegas NV USA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Voice Actor - Digital Artist - Media Creator - Audio Master (in reply to pbolden) |
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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quote: Eeeeeekkkkk.... I remember those days... unfortunately there was not undo key. I did sound design for live theatre (music, sfx, etc). One missed cut and it was re-record the tape and try again. Thank God for digital editing. If I only had what I have back then, I would have gotten a lot more sleep and cleaner edits. _____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to Merch) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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heck - I go back to the days of two tin cans and a long piece of string. Live was no problem but playback created a few problems. 
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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quote: Dang, Bill... I didn't realize you were that old! I think this is where the slogan "Can you hear me now?" originated. _____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to wizard) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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LOL - in fact, if I remember correctly (not likely) I worked on the government project to invent the needed string. Before that. they had to use yak gut.
_____________________________ Pops (in reply to Keckster) |
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mptribe Posts: 4460 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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Didn't Al Gore invent that string. 
_____________________________ Marc (in reply to wizard) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Nah, just the tubes it fits in -
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PAUL JAMES CHATMAN Posts: 182 Joined: 8/24/2009 From: Los Angeles, Pooky-Lookauh Status: offline
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quote: Not to be a jerk, but while I understand the meaning of the statement, the term "Indian" is no longer applicable nor acceptable, unless you're speaking about actual Indians from India. _____________________________ meeooww (in reply to windhamjim) |
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AdrenalineMP Posts: 625 Joined: 12/18/2007 Status: offline
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quote: I disagree. _____________________________ Sam (in reply to PAUL JAMES CHATMAN) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2150 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Says Who? I played Tonto when playing cowboys and indians. This PC stuff is a pain.
< Message edited by windhamjim -- 11/21/2009 12:18:07 AM > _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to PAUL JAMES CHATMAN) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Cow-a-bunga, I agree Jim. I used to work at a ski area in Maine called Squaw Mountain. They actually had the state of maine pass a law to change the name. Enough PC. I do the tomahawk chop at it. Guess I'm just too old to change now. Everyone's just too thin skinned.  _____________________________ Pops (in reply to windhamjim) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2150 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Check out www.indiangaming.org and tell them they can't be called indians. I don't think they are sending any money to India either.
_____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to wizard) |
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mptribe Posts: 4460 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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Kinda ironic though that a large portion of DJ is located in India.
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windhamjim Posts: 2150 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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All of this because "It's not the arrow, it's the indian.".
_____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to mptribe) |
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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quote: The NIGA? uhh... I'm surprised someone hasn't ask them to change their name because the acronym is when spoken as a word doesn't sound so good. _____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to windhamjim) |
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bettybakebake Posts: 31 Joined: 10/5/2009 Status: offline
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You guys are funny. But more to the point I have a question about this music length stuff. Is the program I want to put music tracks to animation thingys look like an old radio dial? Little numbers and lines like a ruler across the page where you can raise and lower the sound for each like track? And is that linear or non linear? Is that what is meant by that term. Some programs are just a square and you change things around within the square and then save it? And the other can work with things that flow like animations or a sound wave? I am just trying to get a broad outline of what you guys are talking about. I figured you all had some spare time since the above subject got wandered around with. (in reply to Keckster) |
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