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Sharon R. Posts: 29 Joined: 3/13/2010 Status: offline
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I received my MDK 4 and 5 and was just thrilled. I knew that MDK5 required plug-ins, but did not expect to have to fork over an additional $200.00 to Red Giant to be able to use several of the elements that I received with MDK 5. I think it would have been nice to have known in advance that to get full use of MDK 5 that it required such an investment. Better yet I know that in the past DJ has carried some of RGS products and I think DJ should have teamed with them to have these products available at 50% or more off so that it did not render at least part of my purchase useless out of the box. Yes I did see that it required plug-ins, but it would have been better advertising to have listed them and where to get them, to avoid the world having to call support. I would suggest that all the information on additional products needed be posted right in the copy. |
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edenjo01 Posts: 135 Joined: 8/14/2007 Status: offline
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I cant find where is states "required plug-ins" other than PS AE IL. Which RGS does it need?
_____________________________ Ed (in reply to Sharon R.) |
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SpaceRay Posts: 641 Joined: 11/4/2008 From: Malaga - Spain Status: offline
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After this post I have searched for the requirements of MDTK 5 and they really have put it, please look that after "617 After Effects Projects" there is a small star, and then look at the end of the list for the meaning of this star 9 DVDs -- 68.11 Gigabytes 11 Categories 584 Pre-rendered Animations 617 After Effects Projects* 30 Illustrator Vector Files 149 High Resolution Textures and Extras 46 Tileable Animations 34 Entry->Loop->Exit Animations 26 Entry->Exit Animations 20 Compound Projects 46 Looping Animations197 Matte Files *Some projects do require the use of a third party plugin So they have told you that for some projects you would need a third party plugin, BUT you are right and agree with you that : - Why DJ did not tell which third party plugin is it, so you would know ? - Why not tell HOW MUCH does it cost this plugin ? 200$ is really too much. - How many projects do require the use of a third party plugin ? - Why is not clearly put this information so you would know that ? I agree also that if this third party plugin is required, it would have been very good to have that in the offer third party at 50% OR another thing could be and offer to buy both MDTK 5 and the this plugin toghether in one pack, or have it optional addon. (in reply to edenjo01) |
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AdrenalineMP Posts: 625 Joined: 12/18/2007 Status: offline
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A little more clarification - just in case it is needed and/or for the benefit of others reading this thread: The plug ins aren't needed unless you need to actually work with the particular projects (or their layers) that used plug ins. If you don't need to modify the project, then the already rendered movie of the element does the trick and no plug in is needed. Also, if you do need to modify a project that uses a plug in you don't have you might be able to 1, replace the effect with something you do have that gives similar results, or 2, eliminate the effect entirely without detracting from your desired look. _____________________________ Sam (in reply to SpaceRay) |
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Sharon R. Posts: 29 Joined: 3/13/2010 Status: offline
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Well I contacted support. I caught them online and questioned what plug-ins where needed. The answer I got was 3D. When I asked if there were any others, the answer was no. There is one other that you need. When I asked where to get them of course they said Red Giant Software. I asked if there was a certain package I needed and told there was only one package that they sell. Well there isn't. You need to either buy the entire collection $899.00 plus shipping for the TrapCode Suite, or $99.00 of TrapCode 3D, and another $ 99.00 for the I think it is Star Glow. Either way this "bonus" (per the support person I spoke with called it) if I want to alter it will cost me a minimum of $200.00 plus shipping. In all fairness I really would have liked to know that in advance. I have not tried the rendered movie of the element, but will try that over the weekend and report back. (in reply to AdrenalineMP) |
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Videogog Posts: 383 Joined: 1/1/2004 From: Grand Rapids, Michigan Status: offline
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I checked the product pages of all the MDTKs and they all have that third-party disclaimer on them except MDTK One. I don't own any so I have no idea what would be needed. I agree that it should perhaps have a little more information as to what would be required if you used that particular project.
_____________________________ Alan Hartman Video Impressions www.videoimpressions.biz Proud Owner of the "DIGITAL JUICE WALL"! Stocked with a ton of Digital Juice Goodness! Hubba, Hubba! (in reply to Sharon R.) |
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kauai Posts: 199 Joined: 5/6/2009 Status: offline
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quote: Sharon, this is exactly what Sam was talking about. The plugins are only needed if you want to fully customize the animation of the particular item. If you use the prerendered version, the plugins aren't needed. The best analogy I can think of would be if someone offered you some graphics in flat form (like jpg, bmp, etc.; I don't even know if "flat" is the right word to use as I'm not a print guy, but you get the idea) but also offered you layered Photoshop files as well. You could use the flat graphics for whatever purpose you needed, and wouldn't need Photoshop. However, if you wanted to make changes to the picture itself (move elements around, etc.) you would then need Photoshop to work with the layers. So basically, you would be able to buy the graphics and still use it without Photoshop; you just wouldn't be able to customize it completely without it. Same with this situation. You can use all the prerendered elements in the toolkits as they appear in the gallery. However, if you want to fully customize it (meaning make it behave differently than it does as prerendered; not just with colors as you can recolor it without any plugins) then you would need the associated plugin to make the changes. The packages are fully usable without plugins. They just aren't as customizable as they would be if you had them all. _____________________________ Eric (in reply to Videogog) |
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SpaceRay Posts: 641 Joined: 11/4/2008 From: Malaga - Spain Status: offline
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I agree with you that the third party party can ONLY be needed IF you want to change or customize the files, and do not need if you use it as it is. BUT WHY don´t they tell you this when you are going to buy it ? I think that they should put ALL the options and FULL requirements for every possible use of the files included. Surely, they perhaps do not need to put that for using the After effects files you would need the After Effects software, because I think this is obvious, but they just put "would need a third party plugin" and do not tell WHICH plugin is it (the name)and WHEN is needed this plugin. (in reply to kauai) |
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