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Deredain Posts: 681 Joined: 6/8/2005 From: New Jersey Status: offline
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For the group shot, why not pan across the picture? You could still add the white border like a polaroid, but you would be zoomed in on the picture.
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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Each picture is on screen for just under 4 seconds, which doesn't leave a whole lot of time to pan across. I wish I wasn't restricted to 15 minutes.
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SeektheBurd Posts: 390 Joined: 9/15/2006 Status: offline
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Hey KirAsh4, Yeap, you can call me Steph. How is your project coming along? I was thinking, have you given the MDE animated frames a look? You might want to check out Rick Green's DV TV Take Five episode, Have Fun With Frames. http://www.digitaljuice.com/djtv/segment_detail.asp?sid=115&sortby=&page=1&kwid=0&show=all_videos (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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JasonGaines Posts: 2306 Joined: 2/17/2006 From: South Windsor, CT. Status: offline
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quote: Actually Ron, on this, it doesnt matter if the dpi is 72 and you zoom in a lot, just make your image a lot bigger, but dont make it 300dpi. You will be wasting all that extra res without really using it. The screen will only display 72 on TV, so you would worry more about actual pixels here instead of resolution. If you have a 400x400 image at 300dpi, you are going to tax your NLE with not really a benefit. But if you have a 1600x1600 image at 72, it should work pretty much fine. Animatng a high res image takes a lot more horsepower than a low res image at a bigger pixel size. Thats how I do it anyway, and this allows me to, when I know my camera moves beforehand, to judge how big or small I will make my images. As long as you scan in any originals at a large size to begin with, and work on duplicates, you can always adjust something later if you find you miscalculated an images use at the beginning. _____________________________ 
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SeektheBurd Posts: 390 Joined: 9/15/2006 Status: offline
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This thread has been interesting. I am learning alot! I have always scanned at 200 dpi, which is HP's recommendation. I'll keep this is mind for future batches. Right now I'm working on a batch that I don't think I will ever finish cleaning up due to so many of the photos in bad shape. 
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Levi Posts: 286 Joined: 1/17/2007 Status: offline
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I just picked up a copy of Photoshop Creative and it has a tute on photo mosaics. I believe the idea could be used very creatively with a combo of stills and video. If there is a Borders or Barnes and Noble close by you might want to just go browse through the mag to see if the idea is appealing to you. It would take some time to assemble everything and then annimate everything but it might be worth it. The front cover says Dramatic mosaics with a sail boat on it with hundreds of photos in the back ground. Looks really cool.
_____________________________ Levi www.imageevent.com/cabinetry Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, everyday, and expecting different results. (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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SeektheBurd Posts: 390 Joined: 9/15/2006 Status: offline
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Hey now that's a neat suggestion. Good idea Levi Stephanie PS-Sorry, I know your reply was directed to KirAsh4, but just had to say that 
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Sandbar Posts: 20 Joined: 1/30/2007 Status: offline
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Wow, disappear for a few days and this thread has taken on a life of it's own! Thank you so much for the contributions - I'm finding it very interesting! Thanks Jason and Kim for the camcorder idea - never thought of that! I never think of the obvious. (I've even used that technique myself at work!!! hehe) Ooops! Now I just need to see if I can borrow that camcorder off my boss.... Jason and Deredain: Just as a matter of interest, I thought I'd get in contact with Richard Harrington (author of "Photoshop CS for Nonlinear Editors") and ask him regarding the resolution issue, and he came back with: "DPI - Dots per inch (that is PRINTED inch) has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with video. Scanners meaure it PPI, or pixels per inch... again VERY LITTLE to do with video. You need to knwo your screen size. For example an NTSC DVD is 720 pixels across.... an HD may be 1920 across. if you wanted to do an animated zoom, then you take the magnification level (say 5 X) and mutliply it by the screen width for a pixel count. In your scanner... you can measure in pixels... just click where it says inched or look for an area where it gives you the pixel dimensions. again DPI = NOTHING in the world of video." So it looks as if I use 72dpi, but just concentrate on getting the pixel dimension correct for those zooms... KirAsh4: Welcome to the forum! People have been very helpful here - I hope you gain alot of benefit too. Watched your montage, btw, and you've done a good job keying to the music. Looks great! I'm more into the soft dissolves and slow pans myself, but that's more cause I choose the more sappy sentimental music. hehe I did find the subtle flash/flicker effect you used slightly distracting though. The suggestion by Steph regarding the polaroid and camera clicking noise sounded great. Since my montage will be using alot of slow pans and reveals, I wont' have much of a problem with group shots. Are we talking about large numbers of people in these shots? Perhaps you can modify the polaroid frame to make it take landscape photos - I actually saw this effect (a landscape pic in a wider polaroid frame) in my local paper today, and it doesn't look as stupid as it sounds. Got that widescreen thing happening, which is always eyepleasing - but yeah, might be a problem if there are lots of people in it and you are just showing it all encompassing the same screen real-estate. So I gather the music you have chosen doesn't allow for the panning across images? Maybe if each image is only 4 seconds, you might have to remove some pictures to accomodate a longer pan, if it's restricted to 15 minutes. 15 minutes is a really long montage, btw - how many pictures is that? I should probably get out a calculator and work it out myself, and it is probably less effort that me actually having written this sentence. Good luck with your montage anyway - I look forward to sharing ideas with you. And what you've come up with looks good - I only hope to do something that looks just as good. Levi - photo mosaics are the video with hundreds of photos in a grid pattern, right? I was thinking of trying to attempt this, and as the camera zooms out, it dissolves into one larger image. Might be taxing on my poor editor though. Steph - I know what you mean about cleaning up photos. It's very time consuming process. While I find it enjoyable to do - doing it for about 30 photos or more is a laborious task, especially as I'm eager to get into animating and putting something resembling a finished product together. Thanks again everyone. As Steph said - interesting thread. Always learning new stuff. Cheers, Kiah. < Message edited by Sandbar -- 3/1/2007 1:45:20 AM > (in reply to SeektheBurd) |
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illustratedWORD Posts: 506 Joined: 11/11/2006 From: York, PA - (living in Switzerland) Status: offline
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Here is a shareware program that creates Photo Mosaics (using still photos). MozoDojo I've used it for several years and does a nice job. VERY simple to use. One idea to create motion using it: Create multiple mosaics using the exact same settings (grid size and BG image), then dissolve between images to appear as if the photos in the grid are changing. Haven't tried so am only envisioning the effect. Program is Mac only. _____________________________ ~ Tim www.illustratedWORD.com (in reply to Sandbar) |
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Deredain Posts: 681 Joined: 6/8/2005 From: New Jersey Status: offline
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Jason and Sandbar, thanks for correcting my mis-information. I learned something new about dpi and video.
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Levi Posts: 286 Joined: 1/17/2007 Status: offline
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Levi - photo mosaics are the video with hundreds of photos in a grid pattern, right? I was thinking of trying to attempt this, and as the camera zooms out, it dissolves into one larger image. Might be taxing on my poor editor though. Hi Kiah, Yes, you are right. I was thinking along the lines of this, wall of photos or grid of photos, these would be comped together to use as an alpha channel for the main lead in photo. Kinda like you see the main photo but its composed of the hundreds of other smaller photos. The magazine shows it better than I could explain it. Stepahnie, Please, no appologies, thank you for your encouragement, I appreciate it! _____________________________ Levi www.imageevent.com/cabinetry Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, everyday, and expecting different results. (in reply to Deredain) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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Heya Steph, Project is going, slowly, but it's moving. Since I'm still receiving images from parents, I end up doing a little bit every day and working with the sound clip. At the moment I'm debating what to do with the fast beats in the song. For the most part it's a constant beat about 35 frames appart. On occasion though it picks up and has bursts. This morning I tackled the two fastest bursts (a drum hit every 4 frames lasting 20 to 24 frames.) I think I've come up with a neat solution by taking the image that was placed there and scale/rotate it slightly with each beat. Turned out okay. As this is a May project, I have time to play around still. I'll post the final rendition once it's completed (note, I said completed, not 'when I'm happy with it', which will probably never happen. :) ) (in reply to SeektheBurd) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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quote: The first part of the show will be exactly that, slow (4 second stills) with cross fades. But as the show progresses it will get faster with that clip you saw as the final 4 minutes. I'm still debating the 1 frame gaps in certain places. This morning I redid the whole thing without the gaps and it didn't look as good. I don't want to replace an image every time, but it also sounded off when there was a beat and no switch (whereas it did happen elsewhere.) It's still a work in progress though, so anything's still open for adjustments. quote: In some of them, groups of 30 to 40 kids, yes. Most of them will have at the most 4 kids. Those I don't worry about panning, they all fit on the frme and can be seen well. quote: Parts of the show would be, as you called it, 'sappy sentimental music' which would lend itself to panning. Other parts won't be. There's only going to be a limited number of tissue boxes available... quote: 15 minutes -> 900 seconds / 4 -> 225 images. I think last year I squeezed in some 275 images and went over the 15 minutes limit, but no one cmoplained. Thanks for the welcome message by the way. (in reply to Sandbar) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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quote: Something like this? http://www.37thexposure.com/zooms/Sport/ (that's my daughter) (in reply to Levi) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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Or better yet ... Open AE, drop 200+ MiB montage in, place strategic keyframes, zooms, pans, export. Drag 5 GiB AVI into PPro, insert SmartSound music, export to WMV9 and the result is: http://www.37thexposure.com/montage.wmv (it's 18 MiB) Man, you guys mess with my cadence. [ editing to add: something weird happened when I first posted that link. It should be fixed now. ] < Message edited by KirAsh4 -- 3/3/2007 6:37:44 PM > (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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Levi Posts: 286 Joined: 1/17/2007 Status: offline
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http://www.pshopcreative.co.uk/flashindex.html Here's a link to PSCreative. The issue is at the very bottom with the sail boat. Tried to find a larger pic but no luck. This image is made of hundreds of photos like the one you posted (nice job) but it looks like the main or top photo was duplicated with no alpha and then faded down so the duplicate below it (alpha) would look clearer. Also some of the photos in the background are showing through very clearly. I had the thought it would look cool if the photos in the background were slowly falling into the lake behind the sailboat on the right side and making a splash and then rising up out of the water in front of the boat to the left a little with water cascading down them. The photos rising up would be much larger of course but it would be a cool way to show off vacation shots or something like it. _____________________________ Levi www.imageevent.com/cabinetry Insanity is doing the same thing, the same way, everyday, and expecting different results. (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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http://www.imagineshop.co.uk/uimages/PC_18_%20small.jpg Yes, the overlay is essentially the same thing I did at the very end of my video (where I fade the actual photograph in.) They just changed the opacity of it so you could still see it, and at the same time see the tiles behind it. (in reply to Levi) |
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n513kk0 Posts: 167 Joined: 4/26/2005 Status: offline
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KirAsh4 - very neat. What did you use to create the mosaic that allowed you such high resolution of the cells when you zoomed in? KIM _____________________________ kkinser@mindspring.com kimtv.neptune.com (in reply to Levi) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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There used to be a plugin (PhotoMosaic) for a unix graphic program (GIMP) that existed up till about 2 years ago. Then the person maintaining it got a cease and desist letter from the patent holder so the plugin went bye-bye. (You can still visit the page at http://www.kirchgessner.net/photo-mosaic.html Nowadays you can use AndreaMosaic ( http://www.andreaplanet.com/andreamosaic/ ) to accomplish the same thing, though I haven't tried it yet. It's been a while. That mosaic I used above is about 2 years old (just before the plugin went away.) I'm trying (and failing) to find some free time to try AndreaMosaic, see how it stacks up. I read somewhere that someone made something similar, but for video. Actually, I recall seeing a movie of it on the internet somewhere. They took 200 channels of cable and piped it all into the software which dynamically updated the cells with video based on the color. As we all know TV doesn't stand still, neither did the software. Constant crunching of numbers and color values to update the mosaic. T'was kinda fun to watch, but don't try to watch the same channel since it keeps jumping all over the mosaic because of color changes. < Message edited by KirAsh4 -- 3/3/2007 8:44:19 PM > (in reply to n513kk0) |
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JasonGaines Posts: 2306 Joined: 2/17/2006 From: South Windsor, CT. Status: offline
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Cool stuff KirAsh4. That last video look like a lot of work into it. Nice job.
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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That depends on which part you look at. :) If you're referring to the picture taking, well that's going on 11 years now... But, the mosaic itself took about 15 minutes to build two years ago (on a 1.8 GHz P4 HT), and what I did today took maybe 30 minutes (on a 2.6 GHz Core 2 Duo.) I think the longest section was the export out of PPro. AE did the rendering in about 4 minutes, whereas the export / conversion took about 13. The funny thing is, you guys got me thinking about creating a poster for the kids, to go with their graduation DVD. There are gigabytes upon gigabytes (upon more gigabytes) of pictures that I've taken of these kids over the past 6 years. Since I work at a service bureau, I can easily do that. The question is, do I have time? :) (in reply to JasonGaines) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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Okay, so for anyone who wants to know, I finally got to test AndreaMosaic ( http://www.andreaplanet.com/andreamosaic/ ) today. I took the same picture I used in the previous program, dumped roughly 900 images in to use as tiles and went for broke. I created a mosaic that's 23,669 x 15,936 pixels (or 328.7 x 332.3 INCHES), which is the equivalent of a 377 megapixel image (1.05 GiB file.) Panning in Photoshop is quite nice actually, lots and lots of images. I'm not sure how AE is going to handle something this large though. Oh yeah, the entire process took about 25 minutes, from beginning till end. I'm about to dump another 500 images in the collection and generate another mosaic. (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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Sandbar Posts: 20 Joined: 1/30/2007 Status: offline
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I'm definitely interested in photo mosaics now! I downloaded AndreaMosaic and am going to try it out. I hope I have enough pictures. I finally have completed scanning in all the pics, and at around 400, it was quite a bit more than I anticipated! So if 225-275 pictures is roughly a 15 minutes long montage, and my ideal target length I am going for is 10 minutes, I'm gonna have to be a bit selective (or creative!) in the use of the pics. And I've kinda decided to mix it up a bit, as to not bore my audience. I figure I'll start of slow and sentimental, using traditional pans and zooms, then wake them all up with an upbeat song, hehe, utilising a few special effects (slowly adding a degree of "wow-ness" as the montage progresses), and build it up from there. As much as I like the sentimental songs, after much viewing of 10 minute length montages like this, I decide I do need a couple of up beat tunes (and it will allow for a bit more experimentation with my images). Tim: I will have to try that MozoDojo out - we do have a Mac at work. Nice idea on the dissolving between different mosaics for the appearance of motion, btw - you would have to have a large amount of images to pull this one off - but I guess you could have the same picture content - but just different grid placements... hmmm... you have me thinking of creative uses of a mosaic now.... KirAsh: great montages! I love them! Great panning work on that montag. Thanks for the heads-up on AndreaMosaic - I'm going to play around with it tonight, now that I've scanned in all my pics. Forgive my ignorance about PremierePro, but what is SmartSound? Levi: Dude, you have great vision! Your idea about tiles falling into the water creating splashes and whatnot is inspiring - you should get a job at photoshop creative with your insight! You guys have got me thinking of creative uses of a mosaic in video now... KirAsh: you have me thinking of doing a poster too (of mosaics) of my nephew for my sisters birthday in a couple of months. I wonder if these mosaics produce good prints, nice enough for framing.. if ever you produce a poster, let me know how it went. Oh, and let me know if you get around to importing that 1 Gig montage image into after effects - wonder how it will handle an image that big. As usual, thanks for the ideas guys - this forum is an inspiration to me! Cheers, Kiah. (in reply to KirAsh4) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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quote: Um, that's 225-275 images in a linear format, as in each one pops up on screen, one after the other for about 4 seconds each. Not in a mosaic format like the clip I posted earlier. That's a different beast all together. quote: http://www.smartsound.com/ - they have a free PPro plugin that let's you listen to, buy, and add sound to your clip. You tell it how long you want it, it will render for that length. They have similar capabilities with StackTraxx. I would suggest reading and viewing the demos on their site, specially the Mood Mapping stuff. And Digital Juice folks? No, I'm not trying to endorse a rival product. I love StackTraxx and DJ in general. But, if you have to smack me for linking to a rival company, abeit rather miniscule compared to what you guys do ... quote: The file used in that clip I posted above, is actually a 25x30 inch @300 DPI. On an Océ LightJet, I can get a 50x60 print easily without any degradation. Each cell will look just as sharp as a regular sized print. You can easily do this with AndreaMosaic as well. Since it let's you specify cell width and how many per rows, it's easy to calculate: an 8x10 @300 dpi translates to 2400x3000 pixels. If you set the cells at 200 pixels wide, you'll need 12 of them on a row. Then just let the length fall wherever, you can always crop later. The large mosaic I did for fun yesterday would be printed at 158x106 inches @150 DPI (the previous dimensions posted yesterday were for a 72 DPI image), and each cell would be 0.8x1 inch big. Not too bad. If I wanted larger cells, I'll just specify a larger number in AndreaMosaic. quote: Hrm... Thumbnail Image   Attachment (1)
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