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Michael Frederick DJ Posts: 591 Joined: 1/24/2006 Status: offline
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quote: I like your taste Bill 
_____________________________ Michael Frederick Digital Juice Customer Service www.digitaljuice.com 1-800-525-2203, Opt 2. "Ask for Mike" (in reply to wizard) |
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JasonGaines Posts: 2306 Joined: 2/17/2006 From: South Windsor, CT. Status: offline
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Well, if you beat a dead horse with a red bat or a green bat, does that make it any different? Nope, your still beating a dead horse. Just use what you gotta use. :) _____________________________ 
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IMG Posts: 862 Joined: 3/23/2006 From: Irmo, SC Status: offline
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I have used dummy terminals running on a UNIX mainframe since back in the late 1970's (around 77 or 78); I have used a Mac since 1985; I have used PC's since 1986; and I have used Linux OS since 1999 (as I recall!). You know what? They are all just tools in the toolbox. Do I prefer one over the other? Not really. I like Mac just fine except for several dozen quirky things about the OS and hardware. I like Windows XP Pro just fine except for several dozen quirky things that are different from the Mac oddities. I find I am more productive on the PC I built running XP Pro, Adobe Video Collection 2.0 + the Creative Suite (CS2 stuff), render faster with less hassle than Final Cut, better overall program cross-pollenation using Adobe's stuff than any other system. This comes after using Avid, Vegas, FCP 4, Ulead Video Studio / DVD Workshop and the awesome Adobe Video collection in my studio. Vegas is "ok", but immature as an NLE and overall system. Still buggy and missing a LOT of features. It is in its infancy, but I do expect it to pick up steam in the next several versions. Avid - what can I say? Nearly an industry standard, I have always wondered HOW that ever happened when far better NLE's were out there when Avid first emerged on the scene (I'm thinking Media100, an incredible system at the time). Avid is clunky, overbearing, thoroughly NON-intuitive as an NLE. Anytime you have to click on a weightlifter icon after selecting a clip's in and out points (multiple steps) just to simply MOVE A CLIP is insane. I prefer a faster, more intuitive "drag and drop" approach that almost every other NLE use. FCP4- wow, love it. Very fun to edit on, mostly intuitive, sometimes crazy in its implementation of features. A LOT is hidden in a "hey, you have to KNOW it" approach, but all NLE's require a learning curve. I haven't used v.5 yet, but from what I have seen and read, Apple fixed a LOT of bugs and features in the newest release. My only real big gripe is the horrible rendering engine & system Apple decided to use. Simply AWFUL, clutzy, not very smart at all. Ulead - neat features, but way too immature and consumer-oriented for my needs. A nice starting point for someone without a lot of cash, knowledge or experience IMHO. Not robust enough to do what I need it to do at this time. Adobe - finally, after years of struggling, Premiere has reached a level of maturity that brings it head-to-head with the "Big Boys", Avid and FCP. In fact, it has now surpassed those apps by its high degree of integration with all of the other apps in the suite. I can move quickly and seamlessly between Illustrator, Photoshop, Audition, After Effects, Encore DVD, Flash and Premiere Pro, MUCH faster than an editor on a Mac can go between Motion, Shake, FCP, Photoshop, Illustrator, Livetype, Soundtrack, DVD Studio Pro or Garageband. We ran tests here using version 4 of FCP, and version 1.5 of PPRO. PPRO won by a full 50% margin for speed of integration with all of the other Adobe apps, even on a new G5. At any rate, I am always amused by the PC bashing Mac folks: "Oh, YEAH....my Mac RULES! It's the best! It's the fastest! It has NO PC parts in it at all! It's a MAC, not a PC!" Now, that is not only a moot point, but quite comical in its scope as well. An Apple Mac now has more PC parts in them than "Apple Mac" parts. In fact, other than the case and the monitors, I see no distinguishing features of the newer Macs that make them unique. They have BECOME PC's! They now use the "Big Brother" evil Intel processors ("WOW! My Mac is SO much faster now!" Gee, REALLY? Hard to believe that dumping the Motorola CPU's in favor of the faster and more robust Intel chips would improve the Mac's performance by 3000%, but it did!), PC RAM, PC Power supplies, PC Motherboards (they are made FOR Apple by a PC mobo manufacturer now), in fact, every component has changed into PC parts, even the two or three-button mice have overtaken the "superior" one-button mouse from days of yore. Don't misunderstand me, I am NOT "Mac bashing". I own 2 Macs right now in my studio and LOVE them for their strengths (they make GREAT paperweights! LoL, just kidding!). I am merely pointing out that the same "Mac snobbery" or haughtiness some users have is the exact same identical crappy attitude I saw in the mid 1970's with the "If it's not CLASSICAL MUSIC, it's no good" vs. the "If it's not ROCK AND ROLL, it SUCKS!" statements. People actually said those exact phrases to me repeatedly throughtout my earlier musical career. Talk about head cases! Classical has crappy music, it's not all good. Same for Rock, or ANY genre! The same is true for PC vs. Mac. Neither is "superior" to the other. If they would pull their heads out of their posteriors to see what time of day it is once in a while, both Apple and Microsoft could work miracles if they collaborated a bit more and stopped the in-fighting nonsense. Those who know their computing history knows that both owe a huge debt of gratitude to Xerox's PARC lab in California for creating the OS GUI, the mouse, laser printing, PS fonts, desktop publishing, Ethernet network cards, and much, much more. The bottom line is, Productivity rules. Get the job done, REGARDLESS of which tools you choose to use. _____________________________ ==== Scot ==== JD 37, 39, 40, 42, 46, 49 ST 4, 10, 12, 13 ETK 1-10, PTK HDJB 1-10 DJTV 1-3 (in reply to JasonGaines) |
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KirAsh4 Posts: 332 Joined: 2/27/2007 From: Boulder, CO Status: offline
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AMEN!
_____________________________ "Wouldn't it be nice if our lives were like VCRs, and we could 'fast forward' through the crummy times?" Juice Flavors: 152 (in reply to IMG) |
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illustratedWORD Posts: 506 Joined: 11/11/2006 From: York, PA - (living in Switzerland) Status: offline
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quote: Great email, Scot.  Your comments also mute many of the software arguments I often hear, such as choosing an OS because there are more programs available for that particular OS. Quantity of software availability are far less important to me than knowing the programs I actually make use of are available and (may) run differently on a particular OS. I hear co-workers being talked into Windows or Mac using arguments unrelated to their needs. If it's not an issue with my workflow, etc., it's not an issue. Some co-workers don't understand why I pay for (way overpriced) Apple displays. It's among the very few displays built worldwide (2%?) that leave the factory certified for a SWOP soft-proofing workflow, allowing us to approve jobs for press production onscreen (no hard copies). That's a useless feature for 99.9% of computer users but important for others. Productivity – work flow – getting the job done (right). side note: I have to smile at the whole iPod vrs. mp3 player comparisons. Over the years I've heard people even try to turn that into a Mac vrs. Windows comparison!  My use of iPods at home and with my work has nothing to do with Apple marketing hype, the "cool factor", or the desire to spend more money on an mp3 player that's similar to other less expensive ones. The software is what makes it different...for ME and how I use it and I (as w/many adult iPod users I've spoken with) have my iPod because of iTunes. For how I think and use the software, I haven't found anything that works like iTunes.
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Great posts - It's good to see we all agree Mac is best.[;) 
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David M. Brewer Posts: 1659 Joined: 11/11/2006 From: Denver, CO Status: offline
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Mac rules!!!
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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LOL
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JasonGaines Posts: 2306 Joined: 2/17/2006 From: South Windsor, CT. Status: offline
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Ahahahahahahaah, Bill, your just too much. You almost made me spit my coffee out on my keyboard. ahahahahaha.
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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quote: Mac vs. PC... who cares... Star Wars vs Star Trek... now here's a topic worth debating. Star Wars is an overhyped soap opera set in space while Star Trek is cerebral commentary on current social and political issues. Of course, I still would never pass up the opportunity to watch the scene and hear the immortal words... "Luke, I am your father.... NOOOOOOOOO!" Okay... I'll admit it I like space soap opera too (and I've used a Mac once or twice and enjoyed it). _____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to wizard) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Star Wars is best.
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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NOOOO! Star Trek rules - how can you be so stupid????
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Whadda ya mean? Star Wars for ever!!! etc. _____________________________ Pops (in reply to wizard) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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Marianne over Ginger any day.
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mediatvguy Posts: 4380 Joined: 4/20/2006 From: Florida Status: offline
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Are you OK Bill?
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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I'm alright now - just testing new meds. Besides, it really serves no porpoise. (Outside of the fact that things are getting WAY too serious in the forum lately)
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Runamok Posts: 1276 Joined: 6/27/2006 From: Menifee, CA Status: offline
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quote: He seems perfectly rational to me! _____________________________ Well...that's my story and I am sticking to it! Dan www.clearshotvideo.com My Showcase (in reply to wizard) |
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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So Bill... if given Pandora's box, would you open it? LOL... I think I'm in agreement with you on the who Marianne vs. Ginger thing. Ginger's too high maintenance.
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mediatvguy Posts: 4380 Joined: 4/20/2006 From: Florida Status: offline
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What's the porpoise of this discussion?
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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quote: Absolutely, but it would be on a three hour, Geraldo-hosted, HD miniseries with 2.2 hours of commercial time. Syndication rights are still available in certain, un-named states, where viewers will watch many times to see if there is a different outcome.
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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Ah yes... a perfect definition of insanity (or is it stupidity)... repeating the same process over and over again and expecting a different outcome... I believe the same principle can be applied to creating the same post in multiple forum threads.
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illustratedWORD Posts: 506 Joined: 11/11/2006 From: York, PA - (living in Switzerland) Status: offline
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quote: Just for you Wiz.... Trivia(l) fact taken from the Gilligan Island Series DVD: Marianne received far more fan mail than Ginger, so you are in the majority. And, Jon.... I thought the line, "I am your father ...NOOOOOOO!" came from "Toy Story 2". ---------------- Now for a real hot button topic: British vrs. American movie version of "Pride & Prejudice", "Emma", "Wives & Daughers", etc.. I vote for the British version on all. _____________________________ ~ Tim www.illustratedWORD.com (in reply to wizard) |
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David M. Brewer Posts: 1659 Joined: 11/11/2006 From: Denver, CO Status: offline
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quote: No Bill...we just don't admit we're sitting at a computer. First word out of my mouth is. "What's all this junk on the desktop?" All right...here's one for the PC people... I do a ton of and encoding over the month, mainly h.264. Why is it when I try to view these videos on a PC, they can't play them smoothly? I can even take the same video and make it a 320x240 and I get the same jerky video. I can go to any mac and it plays fine...If I go to any PC at the church (of course the user/owner of the PC tells me how fast it is) and I get jerky videos.......If I go to anywhere on the web with a PC same thing....And their running PCs equal or faster than mine.... Bill.......... Marianne definitely a MAC user (in reply to wizard) |
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IMG Posts: 862 Joined: 3/23/2006 From: Irmo, SC Status: offline
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Simple answer: CODECS.
_____________________________ ==== Scot ==== JD 37, 39, 40, 42, 46, 49 ST 4, 10, 12, 13 ETK 1-10, PTK HDJB 1-10 DJTV 1-3 (in reply to David M. Brewer) |
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Matt Posts: 5743 Joined: 5/15/2003 From: Oak Ridge, NC Status: offline
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About the Marianne vs. Ginger question, how come no one ever includes Lovey? She's super rich, dress's nice, just a thought.
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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keepin' her for myself . . .
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SinCityVideo Posts: 66 Joined: 3/12/2007 Status: offline
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One good reason for video people to use PC's is Serious Magic Ultra. It's simply the best keying plugin out there and it's only made for PC. Adobe purchased the company and is now including Ultra and DV Rack in their new Production Studio CS3 and Masters Collection CS3. These suites will be available for Mac and Windows, but only the Windows versions will have Ultra and DV Rack. Hehe... I used to think Macs were cool and Apple was a good company, but that all changed when I saw how iTunes and iPods work. Now I don't have much respect for the company. _____________________________ Core 2 Quad CPU, 1950XTX, 4GB 1066 DDR2 4 x Seagate 750GB SATA HDD's Tri-Booting Vista Ultimate x64, Vista Ultimate x86 and Windows XP Professional Adobe Production Studio Premium, Ultra 2 Cubase. SX4 for audio Lots of Juice (in reply to wizard) |
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Rhonda Posts: 153 Joined: 12/2/2006 From: Montreal, Canada Status: offline
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I am now awaiting my ipod to be returned to me .....This will be the 4th one in less than 2 years....The guy at customer service told me if there is a problem with this one he will put me in touch with a product specialist.......Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeez what make him think that this one will be any different than the 3 others i had...I told him that i had considered purchasing their powerbook.....but went with Dell instead.....boy I am glad I did Rhonda (in reply to SinCityVideo) |
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SinCityVideo Posts: 66 Joined: 3/12/2007 Status: offline
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Rhonda. Do yourself a big favor and get a real MP3 player instead of your ipod. I have one made by Creative and like many of them you can just drag and drop MP3's onto it. No messy software, no converting to a proprietary format, no DRM infected files. It will save you a ton of time and frustration. I've had my Creative for 3 years now and never once had a single issue with it. Just my .02 _____________________________ Core 2 Quad CPU, 1950XTX, 4GB 1066 DDR2 4 x Seagate 750GB SATA HDD's Tri-Booting Vista Ultimate x64, Vista Ultimate x86 and Windows XP Professional Adobe Production Studio Premium, Ultra 2 Cubase. SX4 for audio Lots of Juice (in reply to Rhonda) |
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Rhonda Posts: 153 Joined: 12/2/2006 From: Montreal, Canada Status: offline
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Thanks SIin Will look into one as soon as this new one dies....which should be soon if this Ipod is like the other 3 I had Rhonda (in reply to SinCityVideo) |
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David Stevens Posts: 66 Joined: 10/19/2006 Status: offline
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I'm a PC user and use Pro Show Producer.
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MikeM Posts: 2347 Joined: 2/25/2005 From: Germany Status: offline
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quote: Let me think about it... nope, can't agree.
_____________________________ Michael Lt. Cmdr. Data: If the warp drive fails to activate, the results could be... unfortunate. Lieutenant Worf: Very unfortunate. We will be dead. i7 / Win7 64 Bit SP1; Avid MC 6.5; Adobe CS6 PP; Nuendo 2-6; Wavelab 7; C4D R12 (in reply to wizard) |
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MikeM Posts: 2347 Joined: 2/25/2005 From: Germany Status: offline
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quote: Now, I like that Bill
_____________________________ Michael Lt. Cmdr. Data: If the warp drive fails to activate, the results could be... unfortunate. Lieutenant Worf: Very unfortunate. We will be dead. i7 / Win7 64 Bit SP1; Avid MC 6.5; Adobe CS6 PP; Nuendo 2-6; Wavelab 7; C4D R12 (in reply to wizard) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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LOL!!!!!
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wolverine0801 Posts: 2 Joined: 2/23/2008 Status: offline
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I'm on a PC laptop. I get viruses and other bugs and was thinking of switching to a Mac. Although it appears to me that Macs don't get as many viruses as PCs, I just don't appreciate the high price of the Apple product line. They may be great tools, but i just can't justify blowing $3,000 on a Mac when I can get a comparable PC for a fraction of the price.
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flascrnwrtr Posts: 2128 Joined: 10/25/2006 From: Humidland, USA (FL) Status: offline
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I run both. After dragging myself for a long time before getting a Mac I can say with all honesty that I will keep my PC edit booths for my clients that will ONLY edit with PC's, but I would rather scrap them and replace them with all Macs. And remember, this is coming from someone who has always been a PC person before this. As far as the iPod issue... I have a 30gb Gen5 that I bought new the day they came out. I passed this on to my son when I bought a 60gb. Both of them still run like you just took them out of the box. Which one are you using, Rhonda? I know they've had more issues with the Nano's and Shuffle's. quote: OK, i think all that sugar in those Krispy Kremes may be starting to have some unintended side-effects. 
_____________________________ ********** Juice-2-date: 354 "My worst day on set is still better than my best day doing anything else." ADOBE CS3 MASTER COLLECTION FINAL CUT STUDIO 2 (in reply to wolverine0801) |
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wolverine0801 Posts: 2 Joined: 2/23/2008 Status: offline
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I know this isn't the proper forum for this... I see you have CS3 Master Collection. Is it as sweet as I think it is? I'm planning to buy one this summer.
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