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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I am using AL 7.2 and have no problem with using backgrounds but haven't quite mastered how to use MDE or the lower thirds. I'm sure there are some tips here that I haven't found yet but thought someone could point me in the right direction quicker. Any help would be appreciated and I know the DJ products will greatly enhance my video work.
< Message edited by joy507yother -- 5/26/2007 3:34:43 PM > _____________________________ AL 7.2 Dell XPS 610 Windows XP sp2 |
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sevenhills Posts: 346 Joined: 1/28/2007 From: Lynchburg VA. Status: offline
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Johnnie, Welcome to the DJ boards, there are lots of great tips on a lot of threads here. As far as anything with an alpha channel I output my stuff to a TGA sequence, I find that I have a better edge on them (no jaggies) for some unknown reason. I used to use AVI, but for me this seems to work better. You have to play with things and read up you'll be there in no time! Mike _____________________________ Mike Norris Lynchburg, VA Your mind is like a parachute, it only works when it's open. (in reply to joy507yother) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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What is your question or problem when using MDE's or lower thirds with Liquid?? Does your concern apply to overlays too?? There are enough Liquidarians here to get over the hump. Welcome aboard. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to sevenhills) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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Yes, overlays would be included in my need for assistance.
_____________________________ AL 7.2 Dell XPS 610 Windows XP sp2 (in reply to windhamjim) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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What is causing you distress with MDE's, Lower 3rds, and overlays?
_____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I can place photos over backgrounds and they look fine but when I try to add a MDE on top of a background it doesn't look right. I render the files as MOV files but not sure if I am using the correct settings to display the MDE over the background.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Liquid and MOV files are like oil and water right now. Let the Juicer create AVI files and use them. This is the easiest. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Please read this thread. The settings are all in here. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to windhamjim) |
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Andy Browne Posts: 84 Joined: 10/14/2003 From: Charlotte North Carolina Status: offline
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The biggest hurdle to overcome is HOW to use this incrediblew technology. It is very difficult to teach someone to be creative. Either tghey are or they are not. However... wuith that said, I strongly recommend leading by example. Avail yourself of the fantastic videos available on Digital Juice TV. These short "how to" snippits will give you siome incredible idseas on how to use this stuff.
_____________________________ Andy Browne Streaming Videos LIQUID IMMERSION 2007 Call me on SKYPE at abrowne1950 (in reply to windhamjim) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I tried to import the 161 MDE from the wedding toolkit 1 as an AVI file but the object paused during playback, looked okay otherwise. The MOV files play better one reason why I use MOV files for my backgrounds. I rendered the file with juicer2 default settings. What am I doing wrong?
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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You say it paused. What color is the slice? (Red, Yellow, or Green)? Is the Sigma pulsing? Drop Juicer 2. Download and use Juicer 3. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I have juicer 3 but can't use it because of QT. I had installed the upgrade but then I could not import my backgrounds in the MOV format. I had been using the MOV files vs AVI as I had the same problem when using the backgrounds when I first started using AL7.1. The MOV files ran smoother so that is what I have been using.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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I guess we will never know why the AVI files don't work well for you. My questions go unanswered. Good Luck. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I'm sorry, you asked what color was the slice? I'm not sure what your speaking of. When I rendered the 161 from wedding TK1 I used the defaults to make the AVI file. When I loaded it into AL both the background and the MDE hesitated or ran slow. My system should not be a problem as I have a new Dell XPS 610 with 3.20 dual core with 2 gigs of ram and using 2 250 gig harddrives.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Hiccups and hesitations while viewing the avi in the left hand window are meaningless. Put your clip on the timeline. Look at the top of the timeline. It should be pink, yellow, or green. If it is any color except green, it is not rendered and performance will suffer. Also, look below the timeline and you will see the greek letter Sigma. If it is pulsating, then sit back and relax until it stops pulsating. Pulsating = Rendering. Also, put your mouse over the sigma and do a right click. If the pop up says "Do not render yellow slices", position the mouse on the text and give it left mouse click. I will post some quesations later about some settings to mnake your life easier. You appear to be new to Liquid. Welcome. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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Okay, now I know what you are talking about. I don't recall whether it was or was not rendering and I do know what you meant about green, red, brown, above the clips. I will have to check it again to see if the rendering was complete or not. I agree with you that if it was rendering then that would explain the hesitation or pausing. When I put backgrounds on the timeline I usually watch the top to see if it was finished rendering. I especially watch this when I apply certain transitions to my video before playing. Sorry for sounding so dumb. I have been using AL for about a year now and have learned some basics but now I think I'm ready to move on to the intermediate.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Try this: Open Liquid. Click Edit:>Control Panel Click the Site tab. Double Click "FX Editors" Click the Render Quality tab. Select Preview quality Click the Preview Quality tab. Select Fast Preview. Click the System tab. Tell me your Image Cache Size. Tell me which of the three boxes below the Image Case Size are selected. For my benefit, what video card are you using? How much memory on your video card and how much memory on your motherboard? We will get to the bottom of things. We may need to get you over to the Avid Liquid Forum where the Pros hang out. Jim _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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Info on my computer from previous post iS: Dell XPS 610 Dual core 3.20 with 2 g of ram I am using 2 250 g harddrives one for system files the other for editing only 256 MB NVidia GeForce 7800 GTX On the system tab, all 3 boxes are checked and image cach size is 64MB, video draw method is "Video for Windows" _____________________________ AL 7.2 Dell XPS 610 Windows XP sp2 (in reply to windhamjim) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Once you changed the settings for the fast preview and preview quality, did it make a difference? Your system is running Windows XP Pro, right? Your hardware seems to be more then enough. Its faster than anything I have here and I do not see the burps and bumps you are seeing. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I am running Windows XP media edition as that is what came with my system. I have not tried it with the new settings that you recommended yet but will give a try the next time I fire it up. Are the cache settings good enough for what I am doing? I purchased this system after gathering as much info as I could to get what I needed for video editing.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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You may have a serious problem. I do not think Windows Media Center is a supported platform for Liquid. Here is a snippet from the Avid Web site, Liquid Edition Form: NOTE: Liquid is not certified to run under any operating systems except XP Pro and Home. If you are trying to run Liquid under any other operating system (XP64, Media Center Edition, Vista 32 or 64) you are on your own if you encounter problems. There are no drivers for the Pro BOB for XP64 or Vista. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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One thing I did notice while playing with AL is that when I put the MDE on the timeline the FPS varied. I removed the MDE and placed some video that I had shot (AVI) on the timeline and it stayed @ 29 FPS. Should I be doing something in my settings when rendering in juicer to make the AVI files run smoother?
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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The FPS will vary if you try to play the video while things are rendering. Once you get things as you like, try doing a fuse and see if the fused file plays better. I am never concerned about the playback inside Liquid anyway. I am more concerned about the finished product. By the way, once I import a jumpback AVI into liquid, I put it on the timeline, fuse it, and delete the original jumpback. The FUSED file is always much smaller than the original. Fuse is an option of File:>Export. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I have never tried to fuse the files I have placed on the timeline. As far as rendering goes when I did my trial all rendering was complete but I will try what you mentioned and make a sample DVD and see how it does.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Are using a single sequence when creating your video? If so, I suggest you make a sequence around 10-15 minutes. YOu can create many sequences. Then you drag completed sequences onto a new timeline. Each sequence is treated like a container. If you are not familair with the concept of containers, you are missing a powerful too. Some people fuse each sequence before putting into the final sequence. I export each sequence as an AVI and use some third party tools to create the video/audio components, create menus, and build the VOB files. Let me know how things are going... Are you in the North Carolina area? If so, check out www.liquidimmersion.org. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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Yes, I am using a single sequence on my videos. I knew that you could do additional sequences but just have never done it before. I am located in Northwest Georgia. _____________________________ AL 7.2 Dell XPS 610 Windows XP sp2 (in reply to windhamjim) |
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joy507yother Posts: 13 Joined: 5/26/2007 Status: offline
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I did as you suggested and it fixed the problem. Now I can move on to bigger and better things. Thanks, _____________________________ AL 7.2 Dell XPS 610 Windows XP sp2 (in reply to windhamjim) |
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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You are most welcome. It is a good feeling to know you helped. Good Luck. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to joy507yother) |
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