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teddybear Posts: 17 Joined: 8/3/2007 Status: offline
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I am quite new to all of this. I have been making fairly simple videos with elements 3.0 and use them in my powerpoint lectures. I export them to a *.avi file and then use pfcmedia to import them into powerpoint. I now want to improve my videos with digital juice products, especially the jumpbacks. My question is can I use premiere elements or should i upgrade to the pro? I use windos xp with 2 gig of ram. What would be the main advantages of pro and does anyone know if elements supports alpha channel? Thanks for your advice, I'm trying hard to learn all of this and have fun at the same time! Ted in Minneapolis |
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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I've not used Premiere Elements, but what I have read, I believe it does support Alpha channel which should then easily allow Digital Juice products to be used. I use Premiere Pro 2.0. I exclusively use Adobe products on my workstation. Generally the advantages of upgrading to Pro over Elements is more control and range of features. I started out using Premiere 6.0 LE (precursor to Elements offerings) and Pinnacle Studio and quickly out grew both. I believe Adobe offers a free trial of Premiere Pro, you may want to try that before plunking down the extra $$$ to upgrade.
_____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to teddybear) |
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MESMI Posts: 410 Joined: 3/15/2007 From: Westland, MI Status: offline
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Elements does indeed support the Alpha channel. I have used Juice products with both Elements 2 and 3 with great success. Having said that, Jon is right. If you can afford it, the Premiere Pro product has many more Effects, Transitions, and Title Templates. There are other features as well. There is an Upgrade path from Elements to Pro which should save you a couple-three hundred dollars (if Adobe is still offering the upgrade path). Do try the free trial. It lasts 30 days and should let you get a real good feel for it. -Mike _____________________________ Proudly producing training videos, voice overs and audio programs for the Ford Motor Company. (in reply to Keckster) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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As the others have said, Premiere Elements definately handles DJ products just as well as Prem Pro does - I used Prem Elements 1, 2 & 3 before taking the plunge to Premiere Pro and never found any DJ content that wouldn't work in Elements. Looking at your description of what you do with the content once you have done your editting on Elements, I would think long and hard about whether upgrading would actually be of any benefit to you. The main differences can be seen here (N.B. this list is a little out of date but, it's a good starting point if nothing else) http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx/.3bb684ca I would think long and hard before stumping up what is a large wodge of cash for Prem Pro....you may well find the additional features benefical but, you may find that all of the extra features are things that you will never use. As is often said on here, it's not the tools you have (no matter how expensive they are) it's the creativity and what you do with the tools you have that produce the best results! Mark (in reply to MESMI) |
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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Elements AMAZES me at what it can do for the price. It's a real work horse for us right now, until we see our way clear to that upgrade path. I put my first track on it with alpha transparency and literally held my breath to see if it was supported. That was just for an overlay. I held my breath again when I went looking for a track matte, thinking to myself, "Adobe's held off putting something that powerful in the Elements version." Nope, there it was. Keying? Yeah, it did that too. deb _____________________________ SouthPoint Foursquare Church Fresno, CA BlogMe (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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teddybear Posts: 17 Joined: 8/3/2007 Status: offline
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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Teddy: The DJTV Archives offer a plethora of tutorials in 3-6 minute spots. You can pick them off one at a time and download/watch them, or order a DVD of them by season. Look for the DJTV link up across the top of the screen. Adobe publishes a Classroom book/dvd combination for Premiere, I'm pretty sure. Many public libraries carry these great Adobe books. Tackle one thing at a time, try it while the memory of the lesson/DJTV episode is fresh in your mind, and ask here for help! There's some awesome folks here to help. deb _____________________________ SouthPoint Foursquare Church Fresno, CA BlogMe (in reply to teddybear) |
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teddybear Posts: 17 Joined: 8/3/2007 Status: offline
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Deb Thank you and everyone for the help. I ordered a book from Amazon called "Hollywood Special Effects with Adobe Premiere Elements 3", that got very good reviews. I hope that will help and will start there plus DJTV tutorials and practice! Teddy (in reply to debc) |
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Aspyrider Posts: 668 Joined: 11/8/2007 From: South Mississippi Status: offline
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I'm lookig at getting Elements too. This thread has helped alot! I'm not sure what questions to ask now. Is Elements a memory hog? Does it run slow? Is there a major learning curve to it or is it intutive? Editing software I've used before, I never cracked open a manual. I just loaded it and usually I was editing and making something in a few minutes. In time I figured it all out. How much difference is there between Elements and the full version? Do they look and work the same, or is it a completely different interface? What output format with alpha from the Juicer works well with Elements? Avi? Mov? Other? I know many of my questions will depend on my PC, so I guess I'm asking for your experience and ball-park estimates. Trying to get a feel of what to expect I guess. ;-) J. _____________________________ “Want to make your computer go really fast? Throw it out a window†-Unknown (in reply to teddybear) |
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Aspyrider Posts: 668 Joined: 11/8/2007 From: South Mississippi Status: offline
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One more thing... Does Elements 4 have the traditional timeline? Looking at the adobe site they talk alot about a "Sceneline" but it doesn't look like a timeline with different levels and channels like you see in the DJTV tutorials. Is 3.0 still available? Sorry to bother you guys with this but I'm just trying to understand more how it works before I buy it, from people who have actually used it rather than a review or demo. ;-) J. _____________________________ “Want to make your computer go really fast? Throw it out a window†-Unknown (in reply to Aspyrider) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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I stopped using elements at version 3 but, I dont think it will have changed too much since then. It did have a timeline view which was virtually 100% identical to the timeline found in Premiere Pro. Elements also had a sceneline view but, this was something you could toggle to from the timeline view. Memory wise, Prem Pro and Prem Elements both like memory and CPU...they will work at the minimum specs that Adobe list but, a higher spec will make your life easier! Mark (in reply to Aspyrider) |
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jaybird72973 Posts: 5 Joined: 10/1/2007 Status: offline
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debc, You speak of using overlay's and track matte's with such ease. I haven't found my $2,500 invest in DJ products to work at all in premiere elements. I am new to video editing and none of the DJ products I have purchased have worked. It would be nice if DJ would post some instructional videos on their site to give direction to those of us who are new to editing. If training videos for Adobe Premiere Elements do exist they have been impossible to find. Don't get me wrong DJ makes a great product but I have been totally frustrated in trying to make my investment count. (in reply to teddybear) |
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D. Eric Franks Posts: 2544 Joined: 11/10/2004 From: Florida Status: offline
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First, video editing is not easy or intuitive. It takes time to learn, but Premiere Elements is a good place for a serious beginner to start, so you are on the right path! Second, if you are new to video editing, absolutely positively FORGET about track matte keys - for now. OK, so where should you start? Here's what I'd recommend. (1) Shoot some video. Bring it into Premiere and play around. (2) Put a title on top of it. Don't worry about fading or motion. Just Arial font and type something. (3) Bring in a Jump Backs animation, or a VideoTraxx clip. It should work just like the video you shot yourself. (4) Now the fun part: bring in a lower third animation (from an Editor's Toolkit) and put it on top of your video. Now put a title on top of that. For a beginner, this is really hours and hours of work the first time, just to get it to work. And mastering just these 4 techniques - well, years! This is 99.9% of all editing you will ever do. Well, for video. Audio is a whole other conversation. Above all, I just want to emphasize again, I know the video editing industry marketing goes on and on about "quick and easy," but unless you are using iMovie, it never is. (in reply to jaybird72973) |
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mediatvguy Posts: 4380 Joined: 4/20/2006 From: Florida Status: offline
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The best post that I have seen from DEF! Simple, short, easy-to-understand useful information! Brilliant! (in reply to D. Eric Franks) |
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GlobeReacher Posts: 551 Joined: 12/4/2007 From: San Antonio, Texas Status: offline
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Agreed! 
_____________________________ ~Zorro I have: 80 Digital Juice Products ...and counting... http://www.dynamicconferences.com/ (in reply to mediatvguy) |
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pauld Posts: 1285 Joined: 4/8/2008 From: Wooster, Ohio Status: offline
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Great Information, DEF. Jaybird, i am new at videography, actually only involved since late Jan 2008. I did not start with Premier Elements, but because a friend suggested it, after seeing how frustrated i was with what i was using, i have been using it for about a month. I too have invested a lot in DJ product, and believe me, i have been able to use any of the products i try. Often, it is try, fail, and try again. I ask questions of those who have gone before, and i just try it, once i am told the basics. Please know that You will succeed if you keep trying. I find Elements is most powerful, even though i am beginning to think seriously about Premier Pro. I am far from a veteran, and i find that the forum is most helpful, even on the most basic stuff we need to know. I do not intend to do this for a living, (certainly not knocking those who do, I admire them,) but my purpose is to know enough of what is available and how to go about it, that i can tell those who work for us and do this, what i want when i am presenting or having a seminar produced. I do find however, that the more involved i am, the more relaxing it is to me and brings out my creative juices. I believe the same will be true for you. I have never understood why it took so long to produce and edit a very good video, UNTIL I BEGAN THE PROCESS OF LEARNING HOW TO DO IT. It is indeed very difficult and time consuming. But the high i get when the finished project is completed and i see that the product is better each time, is most rewarding. Good Luck, and KEEP ON KEEPING ON. _____________________________ Paul D, Rainmaker Business Success Enterprises http://www.BusinessSuccessEnterprises.com Bedrock Alliance Group, Inc http://www.BedrockAllianceGroup.com "To Get What We've Never Had, We Must Do What We've Never Done!" (in reply to GlobeReacher) |
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Shaun C. Roemich Posts: 1377 Joined: 11/1/2007 Status: offline
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quote: Paul, thank you for acknowledging that time devoted to a video DOES make a difference. The Devil is in the Details, as the old saying goes. I can cut a 30 second commercial in less than an hour. And then lose 30 hours getting it RIGHT. Timing, shot selection, colour correction, audio mix, bumping one thing 1 frame ruins that item 15 seconds later so I tweak that... I believe THAT is the difference between a pro and an amateur is that attention to detail, not how long one has been doing it or what equipment one has. I WOULD like to believe though that most of us pros have learned a vast amount in our time by doing and THAT is why I charge more than the whiz kid just out of media college who does AMAZING things in Maya and After Effects but hasn't learned subtlety, timing and the marketing aspects yet. I truly wish all talented newcomers had the opportunity to study under a mentor and that all of us working pros would have the opportunity to share and help mold fresh emerging talent. PS. I've NEVER worked for "beer money". If a project wasn't worth doing for pay, I volunteered. (in reply to pauld) |
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Keckster Posts: 1610 Joined: 6/23/2006 From: Little Rock, AR Status: offline
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Well said Shaun. It's great to see skills and techniques change over time. Even in the short time I've been working with video editing its amazing to look back at earlier my earlier projects and think, did I really do that and let this or that go without cleaning it up? Hopefully the longer you work with something the lower your tolerance is for imperfections.
_____________________________ Jon Showcase (in reply to Shaun C. Roemich) |
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pauld Posts: 1285 Joined: 4/8/2008 From: Wooster, Ohio Status: offline
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Thanks Shaun and Jon, I have discovered, that like most things most important that we do in life, that if you are going to do it, do it right and make sure that it represents your "name" well as it should. It is tempting to do a job that is "okay, they won't notice," but THEY WILL. There is an internet marketing "guru!?!" going around saying, "you don't have to get it right, you just need to get going." I understand what he is saying, not to procrastinate. I, however, do not believe that in most things that you strive "not to get it right," or accept it only partially, just to get it out. If what you are doing is the best YOU can do, that may be different. You do the best, then learn how to do it better. Our world has accepted the mediocre way too long. That is one reason i enjoy these forums. You are a group of people that want it right and want it out there. I too believe that you GET GOING AND GET IT RIGHT! _____________________________ Paul D, Rainmaker Business Success Enterprises http://www.BusinessSuccessEnterprises.com Bedrock Alliance Group, Inc http://www.BedrockAllianceGroup.com "To Get What We've Never Had, We Must Do What We've Never Done!" (in reply to Keckster) |
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Shaun C. Roemich Posts: 1377 Joined: 11/1/2007 Status: offline
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quote: One of the reasons I called my business Gearhead Visual productions is that there is a certain amount of pretense with calling oneself a "gearhead". If I was going to pull it off, I needed to be well rounded and well informed. Spent a LOT of time in books and periodicals as well as technical manuals. I'd like to think it's paying off but I noticed a couple of years ago I had reached a plateau and wasn't getting "better", just faster. Back to the books I went and learned some new software and techniques. As well, having access to DJ products has made a HUGE difference as now I have quality materials to manipulate. I use my Juice frequently but typically not full screen or in it's entirety. I use "elements" of things and have really learned the "art" of subtlety (I hope!) To tie this in with what this forum started out about: your NLE is strictly a tool to allow your creativity to shine. Now, have you found yourself saying "I wish I could..." and feeling trapped or limited? If so, time to add a new application or upgrade to a more pro version of you software of choice. If you aren't even BEGINNING to tap the resources you have at your disposal, keep learning, keep growing and expand when you're getting closer and chances are there will be a newer release available anyway! (in reply to pauld) |
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pauld Posts: 1285 Joined: 4/8/2008 From: Wooster, Ohio Status: offline
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Very good advice, Shaun. One refreshing thing about DJ and this forum is the constant reminder that it is NOT always what you have to work with, ie ...latest camera, gadgets, software, BUT YOUR CREATIVITY AND ABILITY. Too many people want you to buy the latest and greatest, before you even know what you need or can do. Thanks again, for reminding us. _____________________________ Paul D, Rainmaker Business Success Enterprises http://www.BusinessSuccessEnterprises.com Bedrock Alliance Group, Inc http://www.BedrockAllianceGroup.com "To Get What We've Never Had, We Must Do What We've Never Done!" (in reply to Shaun C. Roemich) |
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