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Eric Hartmann Posts: 2971 Joined: 4/18/2006 From: Springfield, NJ Status: offline
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Off topic, but this is the only spot that I can create a poll regarding this issue. This is in regards to this post, that was wondering about which packaging most DJ customers prefer: Whether you want to: ~ Pay a slightly higher price for a better quality, thicker, sturdier package that can stand on a shelf, take a couple of hits and not break, and will protect your DVDs better. ~ Pay less to get a super thin package design for major space saving, but your products are not in a package as protective as a thicker case. So vote away. < Message edited by Eric Hartmann -- 10/4/2007 6:33:19 PM > _____________________________ Film Editor, Videographer, Motion Graphics Designer, and Producer JUST UPDATED!! http://www.SeaLightEntertainment.com http://www.JimBreuer.com Juice: 300+ |
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The Professor Posts: 1425 Joined: 8/23/2006 From: Rhode Island Status: offline
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I just received the Halloween Swipes today. The packaging is about one-half the width of the former and is not as sturdy. It is also minus those troublesome little corner guards that sometimes get glued to your discs. I'm all for keeping prices as low as possible and the most upsetting (not really) thing is it is different (not uniform) from everything else I own from DJ. The packaging IMO is still attractive and durable enough, though of less quality than the previous for sure. < Message edited by The Professor -- 10/5/2007 6:36:21 AM > _____________________________ Bob www.southcoastmultimedia.com (in reply to Eric Hartmann) |
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flascrnwrtr Posts: 2128 Joined: 10/25/2006 From: Humidland, USA (FL) Status: offline
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I'd be curious to know if this is one of those situations where it's a necessary change for DJ, so it is just an inevitable that needs to be accepted. Besides, where is the choice for going back to the CD and VHS combo packaging?
_____________________________ ********** Juice-2-date: 354 "My worst day on set is still better than my best day doing anything else." ADOBE CS3 MASTER COLLECTION FINAL CUT STUDIO 2 (in reply to The Professor) |
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Eric Hartmann Posts: 2971 Joined: 4/18/2006 From: Springfield, NJ Status: offline
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quote: Oh sorry Brian, I deleted that choice back in 1999. 
_____________________________ Film Editor, Videographer, Motion Graphics Designer, and Producer JUST UPDATED!! http://www.SeaLightEntertainment.com http://www.JimBreuer.com Juice: 300+ (in reply to flascrnwrtr) |
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wizard Posts: 6029 Joined: 2/15/2006 From: New Hampshire, USA Status: offline
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LOL 
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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Guess it really doen't matter to me how I get it, so long as I get it. Actually, I am thinking about putting all my discs in a big fat generic CD case since there are so many discs that they take up way too much space in the studio using the original boxes. Plus I hate mix-n-match packaging that doesn't have a uniform look. Actually, I'd prefer a nice D/J big fat CD case into which I can insert my booty with a sleeve for each installment in the collection... kinda like the old coin collecton folders that have a spot for each release up to a certain time period. Now THAT would be way cool.
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windhamjim Posts: 2149 Joined: 4/1/2006 From: Palm Bay, Florida Status: offline
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Packaging is immaterial to me. I plan on putting the DVD's into bigger binders to save space anyway. _____________________________ Jim "It is fun doing the impossible" Quote from Walt Disney (in reply to deano2222) |
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birdcat Posts: 1826 Joined: 1/14/2007 From: Boynton Beach, FL Status: offline
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I voted but could have gone either way - I don't have the room currently for the pretty packaging and keep my juice (for the most part) in three ring binders (I'm not alone it seems) but if it's not a signifigant price difference I would probably opt to get the nice packaging for when I do have the room.
_____________________________ DJ Counts (Hundreds+) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle My Juice: http://video.birdcat.com/djlist.txt (in reply to windhamjim) |
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MattinSTL Posts: 131 Joined: 7/8/2007 Status: offline
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I've got two 5-Reem boxes of just DJ packaging... empty because the disks are in a giant binder all together. Can you imagine what the extra shipping from India, the extra storage in Florida, and the extra box sizes and shipping... are doing to the bottom line? I used $2 as an arbitrary dollar value of the older packaging over the newer packaging... but I'll bet that's about what it really costs DJ... if not more, in the difference of all the factors listed above. How much storage must they have for all of this? When my empty boxes use up nearly 6 square feet... what must it be in the Juice warehouse? Don't think of it as a flat $2 per volume price difference... because that's a number that I came up with. But let's suppose you were ordering a 10-Pack super-special for $100 versus $120 with the older packaging. I'll bet that the pole would not reflect the true orders. When you ask "what's $2?"... the reality is that it's about 20% of your order during a deal... it's the same difference, but at the trigger moment I'd be surprised if people would check a box that says $120 instead of $100. Imagine on a front page deal of the day that they have an ad that says they have older volumes and newer volumes of the SAME volume... and the special is $12/ea for the old ones or $9.95 each for the new ones. While it's easy to push for whatever is better for US... I guarantee that people would be a lot more understanding of the intentions to save money on packaging when it saves THEM money on the end product. (in reply to birdcat) |
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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I've got mixed feelings. Space is a HUGE issue for me - but so is organization, and if they're going to be kept on open shelving in my office, then how they look also becomes an issue. When I want Juice Drop #5, I want to be able to see it on a spine and pull it out. When I want inspiration, I want to be able to scan the spines, read the names and let my grey matter immerse, remember, and brainstorm until my eyes hit something that is promising. So I still have all my DJ discs in their original packaging. The JD's all live in one shelf on a bookshelf. I *think* there might be room for 2 more there now. THINK. Everything else actually lives in a file cabinet drawer - but still in their cases. Because I can lock it. I decided that video was going to be far more of a 'walking off' problem than clip art. I don't think there's much room left in the file drawer for new volumes, either. I really LIKE the artwork on the cases. It is tied to the previews of the contents in my brain. So, ultimately, I figure I'm going to need a better way to store them all ... but I really do not want to give up the visual 'window shopping' aspect. If Dave could figure out a binder or disc cabinet system that would do THAT for me ... man, I'd be all over it in a heartbeat. So I didn't vote for either. I feel like there's no long-term solution here for me. deb _____________________________ SouthPoint Foursquare Church Fresno, CA BlogMe (in reply to MattinSTL) |
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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P.S. I don't know what the ultimate difference in packaging price is ... but gosh, what's a dollar or two? Dave can pass that cost on to me. If I will pay $50 for it, I'll pay $52. Ultimately, I think the packaging PROBLEMS are going to be the things DJ has to fix, because that costs them hard money. Far more than just the cost of the replacement disc they have to send you. And that is NOT a cost Dave can pass on directly, except as general overhead, which will have to be reflected in all prices across the board. Never a popular thing. deb _____________________________ SouthPoint Foursquare Church Fresno, CA BlogMe (in reply to debc) |
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Elen Posts: 1261 Joined: 7/19/2007 Status: offline
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I've invested a lot of money in DJ products. Sure money and costs of products are important, but I see these products as an investment -I vote for packaging that protect my investment. Moreover, the Juice has to come a long way AND through a few shippers to reach me - And it is costly to replace damaged discs: both in lost work and time, to name just two things. When my Juice finally arrives, I keep the discs in their original packaging: they are easier to carry, when I need to take them to the office (we have an open office); they look impressive (JDs) and professional when colleagues come around; and the art work on each (JDs) is a visual reminder of the contents. I think it is important that the packaging reflect the DJ contents inside: DJ produces super contents - the packaging should reflect this. _____________________________ 75% Juiced (in reply to debc) |
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Eric Hartmann Posts: 2971 Joined: 4/18/2006 From: Springfield, NJ Status: offline
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quote: AGREE AGREE AGREE I COMPLETELY agree with your final statement...that the packaging should reflect the product. Keep the votes coming so our voices are heard...so far is 16/14 in favor of more protective packaging (as of 10-7-07 1:40pm). _____________________________ Film Editor, Videographer, Motion Graphics Designer, and Producer JUST UPDATED!! http://www.SeaLightEntertainment.com http://www.JimBreuer.com Juice: 300+ (in reply to Elen) |
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jestyx Posts: 593 Joined: 3/14/2007 Status: offline
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I'll still take the nicer cases over the cheaper ones... Seems like just bacuse a few want to put their collections in a binder, that we all have to suffer... How about offering both ways? If you want a case you pay one price, if you just want the disc, pay another? Sorry, but I want the nice case, it will hold up for years, even your big binder will tear or rip one of these days, the other thing is, If I put all my juice in a binder it would be EXTERMLY HEAVY and then where do I store that huge thing? My DJ products are on a shelf, in order, by product - Extremely easy to locate, use then return to my shelf, in fact, we have the cases on the shelf in reverse, so all we have to do is pull out the inner sleeve, the case stays on the shelf! I LOVE IT - Sorry, but will to pay more to protect my investment over the long run!
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mptribe Posts: 4459 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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One solution is place an order with Mixed Media Direct (They make the cases for DJ) and they still sell the old style cases. You could come up with a generic cover for it and leave some white space to put the volume title on it. That way you have the same quality cases, but they just won't be customized to the products. http://www.mixedmediadirect.com _____________________________ Marc (in reply to jestyx) |
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jestyx Posts: 593 Joined: 3/14/2007 Status: offline
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Heres a quote right off Mixed Medias website: Need I say More..... (in reply to mptribe) |
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Eric Hartmann Posts: 2971 Joined: 4/18/2006 From: Springfield, NJ Status: offline
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quote: I think DJ/Mixed Media Direct is trying the packaging out on its most valuable clients (us) to see how we react to it so they can adjust according (as DH mentioned in another post) and keep their clients coming for more. _____________________________ Film Editor, Videographer, Motion Graphics Designer, and Producer JUST UPDATED!! http://www.SeaLightEntertainment.com http://www.JimBreuer.com Juice: 300+ (in reply to jestyx) |
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mediatvguy Posts: 4380 Joined: 4/20/2006 From: Florida Status: offline
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No need for duplicate post jestyx. No need...
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SThompsonRAMM Posts: 22 Joined: 9/22/2006 Status: offline
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I got the Halloween Swipes and the first thing I thought of, packaging wise, was that it looked like a "free" promo disk that you often get in the mail. I'm staring at my "proudly" displayed collection of DJ product and Swipes #11 is lost on the shelf. Poor little misfit box. I too have binders of disks from other types of software but I don't have a 100 plus disks from one company like Digital Juice. The one thing I always liked was the uniformity of the DJ collection. Sorry if this sounds irrelevant as I can assure you it doesnt' affect my editing. : ) I too can accept change... but I'd prefer large bills. Oh, and as far as space goes, I'll worry about that when I own Jump Backs Volume 395 and Juice Drops Volume 609. Thanks for asking, Steve (in reply to mediatvguy) |
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mptribe Posts: 4459 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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Steve, Welcome to the forums and though this has been discussed to no end, we appreciate your concise and down to earth manner in which you expressed your feelings on the matter. Some have gone over the edge on their responses, as you may have read. _____________________________ Marc (in reply to SThompsonRAMM) |
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deano2222 Posts: 1667 Joined: 1/11/2007 From: Cincinnati OH Status: offline
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OKay Okay... My turn to talk. I just got my latest products in the new thinner style package and I gotta say: "it works for me." I made the decision last weekend to transfer all my D/J Juicedrops to a large 200 CD binder for ease of storage. So it no longer matters to me. IF I had all the product with unity of appearance in the thinner package, I might have left them in the cases because I love the look and the pro-approach of the units. My problem is that I just don't have endless shelf space on which to store my resources. That coupled with the fact that I have the old packaging for the early product, including two different style wallets for the "Collections" (1,2 and 4 are box-like packaging, 3 is a zipper style wallet), then we have the newer, fatter nylon cases... now we have the skinny nylon cases. Stacking all that stuff on my shelf looks like hell... plus putting all that Juice out in the open allows my competition -- who stops into my studio for various reasons -- to see what I use. Since they can now buy the stuff for a fraction of what I paid, there's no need to help them out by revealing my tools. (No, I am not complaining about the price, so no flaming required. It's just a fact.) IF D/J makes available a 200-CD wallet with Juice ID on the outside, I very well might want to buy the item. But for now, all my discs are in a plain old binder case and all my variety of awesome looking packages are in a box stored in a dark, dusty closet. Wow, does that make me a Closeted Juicer??? Anyway, the new style packages are cool and seem to work well, but I really don't even need them nowadays. _____________________________ dean (in reply to mptribe) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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quote: Hey Dean, I can shake you up one of these for a few hundred bucks  Mark  Attachment (1)
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birdcat Posts: 1826 Joined: 1/14/2007 From: Boynton Beach, FL Status: offline
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quote: Yeah, but it's from England and opens on the wrong side..... _____________________________ DJ Counts (Hundreds+) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle My Juice: http://video.birdcat.com/djlist.txt (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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flascrnwrtr Posts: 2128 Joined: 10/25/2006 From: Humidland, USA (FL) Status: offline
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Thanks, Bruce!! Iced tea out my nose again!!! 
_____________________________ ********** Juice-2-date: 354 "My worst day on set is still better than my best day doing anything else." ADOBE CS3 MASTER COLLECTION FINAL CUT STUDIO 2 (in reply to birdcat) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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 So tempting to start talking about Michael Moore, George Bush, Colour and all the other stereotypes but, in the interests of global friendship and harmony, I will just respond by saying that you know you love us really We are after all the only ones who will stand by you in the good fire-fight! Oh, and one last parting thought...."The World according to the United States Of America" Mark Thumbnail Image  Attachment (1)
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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I've got a Vaultz pull-out drawer thingie or two that I may end up putting all my Juice into. Hey, Dave ... Brand it for me, make custom DJ dividers all ready with product info and labels and I'll buy it from you!! :) deb _____________________________ SouthPoint Foursquare Church Fresno, CA BlogMe (in reply to flascrnwrtr) |
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flascrnwrtr Posts: 2128 Joined: 10/25/2006 From: Humidland, USA (FL) Status: offline
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quote: You're not still bitter over that whole "Tea Party" thingee, are you? I know... you're still jealous of that "yellow crayon beer" issue we talked about before. Hahaha!!! _____________________________ ********** Juice-2-date: 354 "My worst day on set is still better than my best day doing anything else." ADOBE CS3 MASTER COLLECTION FINAL CUT STUDIO 2 (in reply to debc) |
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birdcat Posts: 1826 Joined: 1/14/2007 From: Boynton Beach, FL Status: offline
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quote: You know Deb is not wrong here (DH - you listening?). I would buy branded binders with tabs for my DJ collection! _____________________________ DJ Counts (Hundreds+) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle My Juice: http://video.birdcat.com/djlist.txt (in reply to debc) |
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birdcat Posts: 1826 Joined: 1/14/2007 From: Boynton Beach, FL Status: offline
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quote: Cool Brian - I live to serve! _____________________________ DJ Counts (Hundreds+) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle My Juice: http://video.birdcat.com/djlist.txt (in reply to flascrnwrtr) |
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birdcat Posts: 1826 Joined: 1/14/2007 From: Boynton Beach, FL Status: offline
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quote: Maybe we could put the two of them in a room and see who walks out - But then you could always throw in Maggie Thatcher and she'd kick the cr*p out of both of them combined! _____________________________ DJ Counts (Hundreds+) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle My Juice: http://video.birdcat.com/djlist.txt (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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quote: Oh Maggie, how I miss her! I woman that could put the fear of god into any dictator with just a swing of her bag. Mark (in reply to birdcat) |
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debc Posts: 746 Joined: 4/19/2007 Status: offline
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Hey, CrunchieMark ... you missed a label on your map. The Axis Of Evil. :) deb (who spells colour with a U for *anything* creative no matter WHAT the American Dictionaries say....) _____________________________ SouthPoint Foursquare Church Fresno, CA BlogMe (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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quote: "yellow crayon beer" -> Classic....makes me smile whenever I see a mention of that one The tea party? Nah that's old news. We tend to pick fights with people we can beat these days (a la Argentina, Germany etc etc). Just stop sending all your c*ap US TV series over here and we should be cool for years to come The good ones like Lost, 24, CSI and ER are fine but, please...no more Jessica Simpson fly-on the wall stuff!! Mark (in reply to flascrnwrtr) |
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birdcat Posts: 1826 Joined: 1/14/2007 From: Boynton Beach, FL Status: offline
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quote: Yeah but you sent us Simon Cowell so I'd call it even. _____________________________ DJ Counts (Hundreds+) "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." - Aristotle My Juice: http://video.birdcat.com/djlist.txt (in reply to CrunchieBite) |
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mptribe Posts: 4459 Joined: 7/10/2007 From: Sanford, FL Status: offline
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We don't want the Jessical Simpson Fly on the wall stuff either, so we must spread the misery. Misery Loves Company. This is a good hijacking of the thread. _____________________________ Marc (in reply to birdcat) |
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CrunchieBite Posts: 1862 Joined: 3/5/2007 From: Currently in England, UK. Status: offline
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Touché!!! Very true and I guess giving you Mr. Porcelain is worth a few series of c**p Mark (in reply to birdcat) |
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Elen Posts: 1261 Joined: 7/19/2007 Status: offline
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Just my 2 cents - but didn't Dave Hebel say something about having this packaging issue under control....? Any group that can produce Sound Fx III can solve a packing issue.....
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